Steve Analyst
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Political Analyst
European Community Historian
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European Community Historian
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When heads of state weighing in on it, was there like some underground movement talking this European Union in the sewers, do you think?
July 19, 2025 at 2:56 PM
When heads of state weighing in on it, was there like some underground movement talking this European Union in the sewers, do you think?
I mean it was the biggest story in the country, in Europe and the World. It seems odd people didn't discuss it.
Tell me, as someone who lived through it, was it illegal to talk about the European Union. Was it like Gilead? Were people forced not to talk about this political union announcement?
Tell me, as someone who lived through it, was it illegal to talk about the European Union. Was it like Gilead? Were people forced not to talk about this political union announcement?
July 19, 2025 at 2:54 PM
I mean it was the biggest story in the country, in Europe and the World. It seems odd people didn't discuss it.
Tell me, as someone who lived through it, was it illegal to talk about the European Union. Was it like Gilead? Were people forced not to talk about this political union announcement?
Tell me, as someone who lived through it, was it illegal to talk about the European Union. Was it like Gilead? Were people forced not to talk about this political union announcement?
That would be a weird thing to be debating when absolutely nothing happened in October 1972 that relates to fish and pineapples, but they did announce the start of the development of the European Union.
July 19, 2025 at 1:28 PM
That would be a weird thing to be debating when absolutely nothing happened in October 1972 that relates to fish and pineapples, but they did announce the start of the development of the European Union.
The idea that we only talked economics on a political and economic project is a lie that Eurosceptics tell their kids when they go to bed.
July 19, 2025 at 1:04 PM
The idea that we only talked economics on a political and economic project is a lie that Eurosceptics tell their kids when they go to bed.
Things I know about @economist.com
When you say to someone at the Economist "We're only keeping the essentials" they think you mean "We're going to keep everything".
When you say National sovereignty, they think you mean Parliamentary sovereignty.
The can't check the actual context of a sentence.
When you say to someone at the Economist "We're only keeping the essentials" they think you mean "We're going to keep everything".
When you say National sovereignty, they think you mean Parliamentary sovereignty.
The can't check the actual context of a sentence.
July 17, 2025 at 10:53 AM
Things I know about @economist.com
When you say to someone at the Economist "We're only keeping the essentials" they think you mean "We're going to keep everything".
When you say National sovereignty, they think you mean Parliamentary sovereignty.
The can't check the actual context of a sentence.
When you say to someone at the Economist "We're only keeping the essentials" they think you mean "We're going to keep everything".
When you say National sovereignty, they think you mean Parliamentary sovereignty.
The can't check the actual context of a sentence.
He was in the Pickles debate during the referendum, and he's popped up again, but I can't remember where.
July 8, 2025 at 1:12 PM
He was in the Pickles debate during the referendum, and he's popped up again, but I can't remember where.
The PM of Norway wasn't elected saying this
July 6, 2025 at 7:24 PM
The PM of Norway wasn't elected saying this
All leaders were asked on Election Forum and they all said they were against referendums.
Gee, I hope you quote isn't out of context. You'd look really gullible.
Still, I'm sure you're going to bring that out with the date in context. I'm sure you have the full wording.
Gee, I hope you quote isn't out of context. You'd look really gullible.
Still, I'm sure you're going to bring that out with the date in context. I'm sure you have the full wording.
July 6, 2025 at 7:00 PM
All leaders were asked on Election Forum and they all said they were against referendums.
Gee, I hope you quote isn't out of context. You'd look really gullible.
Still, I'm sure you're going to bring that out with the date in context. I'm sure you have the full wording.
Gee, I hope you quote isn't out of context. You'd look really gullible.
Still, I'm sure you're going to bring that out with the date in context. I'm sure you have the full wording.
This is the Accession agreement. Can you tell me what it says at the top?
Can you tell me how they are describing the members?
Can you tell me how they are describing the members?
July 6, 2025 at 6:58 PM
This is the Accession agreement. Can you tell me what it says at the top?
Can you tell me how they are describing the members?
Can you tell me how they are describing the members?
That's him talking about direct elections, you know, that thing we weren't talking about in 1975.
Here he is talking about referendums on 27th May, 1970.
Let's see your quote in context and the date.
Here he is talking about referendums on 27th May, 1970.
Let's see your quote in context and the date.
July 6, 2025 at 6:57 PM
That's him talking about direct elections, you know, that thing we weren't talking about in 1975.
Here he is talking about referendums on 27th May, 1970.
Let's see your quote in context and the date.
Here he is talking about referendums on 27th May, 1970.
Let's see your quote in context and the date.
The EEC didn't exist anymore as a single entity. It was the European Communities.
Why do you think the Queen said we were negotiating to enter the European Communities?
You don't even know what we joined.
Why do you think the Queen said we were negotiating to enter the European Communities?
You don't even know what we joined.
July 6, 2025 at 6:52 PM
The EEC didn't exist anymore as a single entity. It was the European Communities.
Why do you think the Queen said we were negotiating to enter the European Communities?
You don't even know what we joined.
Why do you think the Queen said we were negotiating to enter the European Communities?
You don't even know what we joined.
How about I produce two examples and all you have to do it produce your quote in the full context with the country he said it in and the date he said it.
July 6, 2025 at 6:48 PM
How about I produce two examples and all you have to do it produce your quote in the full context with the country he said it in and the date he said it.
So the inspiration against the creed of communism is trade grounds, yeah?
July 6, 2025 at 6:43 PM
So the inspiration against the creed of communism is trade grounds, yeah?
Well let's have a little look then. I'll show my stuff IN CONTEXT, and then you can show me the speech in which Heath said that. We can talk about the date he said it. Which country he said it. Then when the election was called.
Let's start with this one.
Your turn.
Let's start with this one.
Your turn.
July 6, 2025 at 6:36 PM
Well let's have a little look then. I'll show my stuff IN CONTEXT, and then you can show me the speech in which Heath said that. We can talk about the date he said it. Which country he said it. Then when the election was called.
Let's start with this one.
Your turn.
Let's start with this one.
Your turn.
One of the reasons is that sovereignty is not a common word, and one of the reasons is we were told it was a future United States of Europe.
It makes more sense that 'Speaking French at work', although that fear has a clear single origin.
It makes more sense that 'Speaking French at work', although that fear has a clear single origin.
July 6, 2025 at 11:37 AM
One of the reasons is that sovereignty is not a common word, and one of the reasons is we were told it was a future United States of Europe.
It makes more sense that 'Speaking French at work', although that fear has a clear single origin.
It makes more sense that 'Speaking French at work', although that fear has a clear single origin.
Made stranger when you consider that for a few years we were actively working on monetary union. It had been deprioritised, so there is a window to dismiss it, but the report on European Union was due at the end of 1975. They couldn't dismiss that.
July 6, 2025 at 9:51 AM
Made stranger when you consider that for a few years we were actively working on monetary union. It had been deprioritised, so there is a window to dismiss it, but the report on European Union was due at the end of 1975. They couldn't dismiss that.
This is an odd interpretation. The government had to reassure people we wouldn't have to speak French, that we would not give up the CoE and the Monarchy was safe. The evidence suggests the people were more scared of what would happen than dismissive.
July 6, 2025 at 9:48 AM
This is an odd interpretation. The government had to reassure people we wouldn't have to speak French, that we would not give up the CoE and the Monarchy was safe. The evidence suggests the people were more scared of what would happen than dismissive.
How old were you when Edward Heath was considered Mr Political Union?
July 5, 2025 at 8:01 PM
How old were you when Edward Heath was considered Mr Political Union?
Heath secured a future negotiation, which returned the out 6 limits to what they were before we joined.
But of course, it doesn't mention the CFP that was accepted was a British proposal. I wonder why....(I don't wonder why, I know exactly why)
But of course, it doesn't mention the CFP that was accepted was a British proposal. I wonder why....(I don't wonder why, I know exactly why)
April 21, 2025 at 1:46 PM
Heath secured a future negotiation, which returned the out 6 limits to what they were before we joined.
But of course, it doesn't mention the CFP that was accepted was a British proposal. I wonder why....(I don't wonder why, I know exactly why)
But of course, it doesn't mention the CFP that was accepted was a British proposal. I wonder why....(I don't wonder why, I know exactly why)
The EEC wanted the UK to drop the out 6 limit with the exception of the Shetlands and the Orkneys, but the UK negotiated a much bigger deal that covered the areas that needed it. Including the North and East Scottish border.
April 21, 2025 at 1:43 PM
The EEC wanted the UK to drop the out 6 limit with the exception of the Shetlands and the Orkneys, but the UK negotiated a much bigger deal that covered the areas that needed it. Including the North and East Scottish border.
Rippon was talking about political sovereignty and then went on to talk about the limits themselves. Booker quoted the first part and claimed that Rippon has said we kept the 12 mile limit. There was no 12 mile limit, just a 6+6.
April 21, 2025 at 1:40 PM
Rippon was talking about political sovereignty and then went on to talk about the limits themselves. Booker quoted the first part and claimed that Rippon has said we kept the 12 mile limit. There was no 12 mile limit, just a 6+6.
"Heath determined that the fishing policy had to be accepted as it stood, or the scheduled 1973 accession would not happen."
Absolutely did not happen. It was the opposite. Pompidou accepted that there would have to be a concession.
Absolutely did not happen. It was the opposite. Pompidou accepted that there would have to be a concession.
April 21, 2025 at 1:38 PM
"Heath determined that the fishing policy had to be accepted as it stood, or the scheduled 1973 accession would not happen."
Absolutely did not happen. It was the opposite. Pompidou accepted that there would have to be a concession.
Absolutely did not happen. It was the opposite. Pompidou accepted that there would have to be a concession.
"The White Paper in 1971 promised that Britain would not sign an accession treaty until the Common Market’s fisheries policy was changed. "
No, it stated that applicant countries had rejected the policy and the Community had agreed to reconsider this, and they were determined to get a fair deal.
No, it stated that applicant countries had rejected the policy and the Community had agreed to reconsider this, and they were determined to get a fair deal.
April 21, 2025 at 1:35 PM
"The White Paper in 1971 promised that Britain would not sign an accession treaty until the Common Market’s fisheries policy was changed. "
No, it stated that applicant countries had rejected the policy and the Community had agreed to reconsider this, and they were determined to get a fair deal.
No, it stated that applicant countries had rejected the policy and the Community had agreed to reconsider this, and they were determined to get a fair deal.
Also presented here as telling Norway to lie about the effect, actually the letter is trying to agree a negotiation position which was not zero limits. Which is what we didn't sign up to.
April 21, 2025 at 1:26 PM
Also presented here as telling Norway to lie about the effect, actually the letter is trying to agree a negotiation position which was not zero limits. Which is what we didn't sign up to.
There was no instruction from Heath to swallow it, and the UK said that accepting the fisheries policy that had been agreed so close to the negotiation was not acceptable. So we didn't...again, odd that it's presented as we agreed to zero limits. Which we never did.
April 21, 2025 at 1:23 PM
There was no instruction from Heath to swallow it, and the UK said that accepting the fisheries policy that had been agreed so close to the negotiation was not acceptable. So we didn't...again, odd that it's presented as we agreed to zero limits. Which we never did.