Been seeing others suggest that this is the wave of GOP that are the consumers of Fox et al as opposed to the ones using it to manipulate their rube audience. The didn't get the memo that the whole epstein thing was just supposed to be a cudgel for the left, not something to actually be pursued.

How is it that the historical commission has absolutely no focus on the historical significance or historical impacts of the proposal?

(just kidding, I know)

I wonder if the personal vendetta Ken Starr had against Clinton was rooted in this relationship

Wow! Couldn't see anything in Sacramento.

Now the perception is (rightly) that Dem leadership lost a game of chicken when the other car wasn't even close to hitting them yet. And that is why they can't offer the credible threat that might actually lead to better outcomes.

Youre making a claim about leverage, not mechanisms. The mechanism is it gets written into the CR.

The claim that leverage would never shift to a point that would push GOP to agree to better terms is wrong, even if it is was the likely outcome.

Most people thought it was halftime. Many of whom were the people who were directly experiencing the pain of the current shutdown.

Not sarcasm

It's the fans who care about teams winning that keep the sport from evolving. FANTASY FOOTBALL should drive everything for a while.

Their sad attempt at generating politics was to raise the salience of the ACA sibsidies. Was this not an opportunity to continue doing even that? Of course not, they had flights to catch.

That's a vintage from the basic ass politics region of France.

And it's better than spending time defending Dick Durbin. I can blame the GOP and still advocate for the ouster of ineffective dems.

This is a dull answer. No one forgot about the Republicans.

The "What outcome did you expect to get" argument is not relevant- we don't know! But we don't need politicians who could easily be replaced by robots who know the senate rules really well.

But taking the off ramp at this point was totally unnecessary and was yet another example that in whatever form is going to be internalized as the dems fold.

All kinds of crazy shit in the realm of effective pressure on the right could have materialized. Their leader was pushing to end the filibuster and thei were def getting blamed for the woes of the shutdown. If sentiment starts to turn on the dems, use the off ramp AND MESSAGE

Dem leadership sucks at politics and people realize this. That's not bluesky posters fault. The had a fucking off ramp to agreement in the senate. They didn't have to use it right away! People didn't want them to use it right away. GOP was infighting and the holidays were coming up!

All of the Very Serious People on here scolding everyone over the frustration at dem leadership have so internalized the green lantern governance critique that they seem to have forgotten this is fucking politics and the outcomess of political confrontations are malleable.