'for groups running 25+'

its a 20man raid is it not ?

Taking pugs sucks since they are then sucking loot from the guild which in turn slows down gearing to even try to kill caldoran the next week.

They are probably waiting until more people actually get to be able to do those bosses before touching them.

Good to know, took us 14 wipes to get first boss down.

Pretty rough for first boss, kept getting caught in globals trying to kick fears, basically requires people to afk on a terror in phase 3 and only kick.

Thanks for the reply, anything that involves having to do invasions (as they are painfully slow/completely afk) to get valor for seal rank-ups, old raids could be a good contender as well as the new naxx bosses added to dungeons.