Daniel Kane
@daneelssoul.bsky.social
And no offense but you sound like a Trump supporter trying badly to pretend to be a Democrat.
November 30, 2025 at 8:13 PM
And no offense but you sound like a Trump supporter trying badly to pretend to be a Democrat.
I think the line they are workshopping is that it would be too complicated to refund all the tariffs.
November 30, 2025 at 8:05 PM
I think the line they are workshopping is that it would be too complicated to refund all the tariffs.
And your last two points are unlikely to hurt him at the ballot box.
November 30, 2025 at 6:34 PM
And your last two points are unlikely to hurt him at the ballot box.
No.
* Trump may have to give back money to the American importers who paid the tariffs, but not foreign countries because they don't pay tariffs directly.
* He will not have to reverse any tax cuts
* He will suffer a loss but it's hard to imagine him substantially more deranged than he already is.
* Trump may have to give back money to the American importers who paid the tariffs, but not foreign countries because they don't pay tariffs directly.
* He will not have to reverse any tax cuts
* He will suffer a loss but it's hard to imagine him substantially more deranged than he already is.
November 30, 2025 at 6:33 PM
No.
* Trump may have to give back money to the American importers who paid the tariffs, but not foreign countries because they don't pay tariffs directly.
* He will not have to reverse any tax cuts
* He will suffer a loss but it's hard to imagine him substantially more deranged than he already is.
* Trump may have to give back money to the American importers who paid the tariffs, but not foreign countries because they don't pay tariffs directly.
* He will not have to reverse any tax cuts
* He will suffer a loss but it's hard to imagine him substantially more deranged than he already is.
They did this twice already. At the very least they need to actually remove him from office.
November 30, 2025 at 1:46 PM
They did this twice already. At the very least they need to actually remove him from office.
So the solution is that people accused of crimes should be summarily executed? Is that what you'd want to happen if you were accused of a crime?
November 30, 2025 at 1:33 PM
So the solution is that people accused of crimes should be summarily executed? Is that what you'd want to happen if you were accused of a crime?
I'm really not sure how any of that relates to the post you replied to.
But again my position is roughly that I want the least harm possible.
But "possible" is a key word here. If you know of a system that would lead to zero harm please tell me. If I agree with your assessment I will support it.
But again my position is roughly that I want the least harm possible.
But "possible" is a key word here. If you know of a system that would lead to zero harm please tell me. If I agree with your assessment I will support it.
November 30, 2025 at 7:43 AM
I'm really not sure how any of that relates to the post you replied to.
But again my position is roughly that I want the least harm possible.
But "possible" is a key word here. If you know of a system that would lead to zero harm please tell me. If I agree with your assessment I will support it.
But again my position is roughly that I want the least harm possible.
But "possible" is a key word here. If you know of a system that would lead to zero harm please tell me. If I agree with your assessment I will support it.
So what was the meaning of "You're still just saying "some"."?
November 30, 2025 at 7:27 AM
So what was the meaning of "You're still just saying "some"."?
And I'm ok with some harm because I don't know of any alternative that will lead to less harm overall.
November 30, 2025 at 7:22 AM
And I'm ok with some harm because I don't know of any alternative that will lead to less harm overall.
Huh? So you are arguing that all human births are caused by capitalism?
November 30, 2025 at 7:20 AM
Huh? So you are arguing that all human births are caused by capitalism?
Some births are directly influenced by capitalism enough that you could reasonably say that they are caused by it. Most are not even if they are indirectly influenced. Is that more clear?
November 30, 2025 at 7:13 AM
Some births are directly influenced by capitalism enough that you could reasonably say that they are caused by it. Most are not even if they are indirectly influenced. Is that more clear?
I want the best achievable system. Zero suffering is not achievable at least not with anything approximating current technology.
November 30, 2025 at 7:06 AM
I want the best achievable system. Zero suffering is not achievable at least not with anything approximating current technology.
Sure. But not all births or even all births that are influenced by capitalism indirectly (which is almost all of them these days) are caused by it.
November 30, 2025 at 7:03 AM
Sure. But not all births or even all births that are influenced by capitalism indirectly (which is almost all of them these days) are caused by it.
I'd be interested in hearing some of the countries that you consider to fit this description.
November 30, 2025 at 7:01 AM
I'd be interested in hearing some of the countries that you consider to fit this description.
Fine. But my point on this branch of the thread was merely that some marginalized people suffer from things other than capitalism. If you grant that, we can close this branch.
November 30, 2025 at 7:00 AM
Fine. But my point on this branch of the thread was merely that some marginalized people suffer from things other than capitalism. If you grant that, we can close this branch.
If your threshold for enough is to entirely eliminate suffering within any large population I think you'll be hard pressed to find any system which is good enough.
November 30, 2025 at 6:58 AM
If your threshold for enough is to entirely eliminate suffering within any large population I think you'll be hard pressed to find any system which is good enough.
But also the people eating and getting education etc is also a maybe. Simply getting rid of capitalism is very far from guaranteeing these things.
November 30, 2025 at 6:52 AM
But also the people eating and getting education etc is also a maybe. Simply getting rid of capitalism is very far from guaranteeing these things.
It is a separate issue. As I said it existed before capitalism. The two issues can literally be separated.
November 30, 2025 at 6:51 AM
It is a separate issue. As I said it existed before capitalism. The two issues can literally be separated.
So humans ability to give birth is therefore caused by capitalism?
November 30, 2025 at 6:50 AM
So humans ability to give birth is therefore caused by capitalism?
I think it's more like eats but not enough rather than simply starving to death, which I think is substantial.
But you claimed the harms cannot be mitigated, but I think we agree that these systems make things at least a little less bad. But if it can mitigate a little why can't it mitigate more?
But you claimed the harms cannot be mitigated, but I think we agree that these systems make things at least a little less bad. But if it can mitigate a little why can't it mitigate more?
November 30, 2025 at 6:48 AM
I think it's more like eats but not enough rather than simply starving to death, which I think is substantial.
But you claimed the harms cannot be mitigated, but I think we agree that these systems make things at least a little less bad. But if it can mitigate a little why can't it mitigate more?
But you claimed the harms cannot be mitigated, but I think we agree that these systems make things at least a little less bad. But if it can mitigate a little why can't it mitigate more?
If we didn't have capitalism, antisemites would use whatever other system we had instead to build tools.
November 30, 2025 at 6:45 AM
If we didn't have capitalism, antisemites would use whatever other system we had instead to build tools.
If you want something existing in the real world with no connection to capitalism yeah that's going to be hard to do because capitalism is basically everywhere. But that's like saying that all human births are caused by capitalism because you'll be hard pressed to find one not influenced by it.
November 30, 2025 at 6:43 AM
If you want something existing in the real world with no connection to capitalism yeah that's going to be hard to do because capitalism is basically everywhere. But that's like saying that all human births are caused by capitalism because you'll be hard pressed to find one not influenced by it.
Are you saying that capitalism would be no worse if we didn't have any social safety nets?
November 30, 2025 at 6:41 AM
Are you saying that capitalism would be no worse if we didn't have any social safety nets?
Yes. But also antisemitism predates capitalism so capitalism cannot be the cause of antisemitism. The prevalence of capitalism certainly shapes the way antisemitism expresses itself but is not the root cause.
November 30, 2025 at 6:33 AM
Yes. But also antisemitism predates capitalism so capitalism cannot be the cause of antisemitism. The prevalence of capitalism certainly shapes the way antisemitism expresses itself but is not the root cause.
Why is it contradictory to use the simple definition and also have an understanding of how capitalist societies actually function in practice along with an understanding of their flaws?
November 30, 2025 at 6:31 AM
Why is it contradictory to use the simple definition and also have an understanding of how capitalist societies actually function in practice along with an understanding of their flaws?