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A single discussion on bluesky with a guy with no following is not a pivotal moment in the course of the workers movement. There are zero stakes here. It very much can be a game. And i enjoy having discussions
January 28, 2025 at 3:36 AM
A single discussion on bluesky with a guy with no following is not a pivotal moment in the course of the workers movement. There are zero stakes here. It very much can be a game. And i enjoy having discussions
And having fun :)
January 28, 2025 at 3:29 AM
And having fun :)
Hey, im famous! :D
January 28, 2025 at 3:00 AM
Hey, im famous! :D
Its impossible to respond to ever changing material conditions without at least expanding upon previous understanding. Revision is a necessity of scientific progress. You cant just say you wont do it
January 28, 2025 at 1:47 AM
Its impossible to respond to ever changing material conditions without at least expanding upon previous understanding. Revision is a necessity of scientific progress. You cant just say you wont do it
Again, do you believe opportunists will simply identify themselves? That they will not hide themselves? That you will effortlessly spot them all? Why did that not happen las time? Socialdemocracy had already coopted western parties. They already knew they were coming. They had the same plan as you.
January 28, 2025 at 1:45 AM
Again, do you believe opportunists will simply identify themselves? That they will not hide themselves? That you will effortlessly spot them all? Why did that not happen las time? Socialdemocracy had already coopted western parties. They already knew they were coming. They had the same plan as you.
He borrowed from contemporary economies the idea that currency is merely another commodity (gold in his example), its value dictated by its cost of production. The end of the gold standard proves currency to have value merely as an arbitrary means of exchange
January 28, 2025 at 1:37 AM
He borrowed from contemporary economies the idea that currency is merely another commodity (gold in his example), its value dictated by its cost of production. The end of the gold standard proves currency to have value merely as an arbitrary means of exchange
His views on imperialism were also not entirely accurate or complete, hence why Lenin had to ammend and complete them. His idea that " skilled labour is merely unskilled labour multiplied" also does not follow the realities of production, where some things cannot be made at all without some skill
January 28, 2025 at 1:34 AM
His views on imperialism were also not entirely accurate or complete, hence why Lenin had to ammend and complete them. His idea that " skilled labour is merely unskilled labour multiplied" also does not follow the realities of production, where some things cannot be made at all without some skill
Some of the exact formulas he used dont hold up to empirical data. His original idea that the rate of profit tends to flatline over time, for example, is not accurate, as capitalist economies tend to instead grow sharply up, then collapse- the famous boom bust model
January 28, 2025 at 1:31 AM
Some of the exact formulas he used dont hold up to empirical data. His original idea that the rate of profit tends to flatline over time, for example, is not accurate, as capitalist economies tend to instead grow sharply up, then collapse- the famous boom bust model
The existence of any revolutionary force leads to opportunism. People trying to coopt it for their own gain. As for ideological discipline, well, how can you differentiate those who genuinely believe in something from those pretending to do so in order to gain power?
January 28, 2025 at 1:18 AM
The existence of any revolutionary force leads to opportunism. People trying to coopt it for their own gain. As for ideological discipline, well, how can you differentiate those who genuinely believe in something from those pretending to do so in order to gain power?
Was the party central commitee ever stripped of any powers? I dont believe they were. Were those in power ever more than a highly motivated, highly politically educated minority vanguard? They were until the very end. Was indiscipline ever not punished, as Lenin did? Never. What stopped being used?
January 28, 2025 at 1:14 AM
Was the party central commitee ever stripped of any powers? I dont believe they were. Were those in power ever more than a highly motivated, highly politically educated minority vanguard? They were until the very end. Was indiscipline ever not punished, as Lenin did? Never. What stopped being used?
I understand what revisionism is. Marxs theories were not perfect. No theory is. To propose they are is to completely abandon the notion of scientific progress. Its called scientific socialism for a reason. The theories must be improved. Improvement necessitates change
January 28, 2025 at 1:10 AM
I understand what revisionism is. Marxs theories were not perfect. No theory is. To propose they are is to completely abandon the notion of scientific progress. Its called scientific socialism for a reason. The theories must be improved. Improvement necessitates change
Initially, it worked, but later, it backfired spectacularly, giving opportunists a monopoly of pplitical power. I ask you, what will be done differently? Right now your answer seems to be to do the exact same, but harder
January 28, 2025 at 1:07 AM
Initially, it worked, but later, it backfired spectacularly, giving opportunists a monopoly of pplitical power. I ask you, what will be done differently? Right now your answer seems to be to do the exact same, but harder
I am drawing a paralel. Fascism is historically a structural problem of capitalism. Opportunism is historically a structural problem of socialism. All the socialist parties of europe were coopted by opportunism. Lenin tried to prevent this with discipline
January 28, 2025 at 1:06 AM
I am drawing a paralel. Fascism is historically a structural problem of capitalism. Opportunism is historically a structural problem of socialism. All the socialist parties of europe were coopted by opportunism. Lenin tried to prevent this with discipline
Its called scientific socialism. Science works by revision. Saying "we are guided by anti revisionism" is like saying " we will set the system up the exact same way but this time try wish really really hard nothing bad happens". Learning from the union necessitates revising and changing doctrine
January 28, 2025 at 1:02 AM
Its called scientific socialism. Science works by revision. Saying "we are guided by anti revisionism" is like saying " we will set the system up the exact same way but this time try wish really really hard nothing bad happens". Learning from the union necessitates revising and changing doctrine
We have learned from it. Ive learned from it. One thing ive learned is that democratic centralism, vanguardism and draconian party discipline are a ticking time bomb when put together. I agree with you, we have to do things differently. That is why i look a the union critically. Why dont you?
January 28, 2025 at 12:59 AM
We have learned from it. Ive learned from it. One thing ive learned is that democratic centralism, vanguardism and draconian party discipline are a ticking time bomb when put together. I agree with you, we have to do things differently. That is why i look a the union critically. Why dont you?
Fascism took over germany nearly a hundred years ago. People said "weve learned from this tragedy, never again" then proceeded to do absolutely nothing about the systems that caused it. And now its coming back. Just saying" it will be different, we've learned" does nothing to prevent these things
January 28, 2025 at 12:56 AM
Fascism took over germany nearly a hundred years ago. People said "weve learned from this tragedy, never again" then proceeded to do absolutely nothing about the systems that caused it. And now its coming back. Just saying" it will be different, we've learned" does nothing to prevent these things
Believing bad faith actors will never take power and use disfunctional systems to their advantage is the very definition of idealism
Pointing out flaws is not idealism. Pretending they arent there definetly is
Pointing out flaws is not idealism. Pretending they arent there definetly is
January 28, 2025 at 12:45 AM
Believing bad faith actors will never take power and use disfunctional systems to their advantage is the very definition of idealism
Pointing out flaws is not idealism. Pretending they arent there definetly is
Pointing out flaws is not idealism. Pretending they arent there definetly is
Draconian disciplinary measures are exactly what allowed those who threatened the revolution to destroy it, once they were in power. No one could stand against the opportunists, once they were on top.
And im not against Lenins expulsionary discipline. Im against stalins intimidatory one
And im not against Lenins expulsionary discipline. Im against stalins intimidatory one
January 28, 2025 at 12:43 AM
Draconian disciplinary measures are exactly what allowed those who threatened the revolution to destroy it, once they were in power. No one could stand against the opportunists, once they were on top.
And im not against Lenins expulsionary discipline. Im against stalins intimidatory one
And im not against Lenins expulsionary discipline. Im against stalins intimidatory one
As for the rules of enforcement, i do not believe an exclusive, professional body makes that necessarily more likely. Cops are tasked with dealing with all crime. That inevitably has psychological consequences. How many of them are on a hair trigger?
January 28, 2025 at 12:38 AM
As for the rules of enforcement, i do not believe an exclusive, professional body makes that necessarily more likely. Cops are tasked with dealing with all crime. That inevitably has psychological consequences. How many of them are on a hair trigger?
I follow an ex-swat cop on youtube, and defer to his opinion: skillwise, there is no disctintion between violence used for law enforcement and for everything else. Violence is a language, you speak it or you dont. And i think everyone should know how to speak it
January 28, 2025 at 12:31 AM
I follow an ex-swat cop on youtube, and defer to his opinion: skillwise, there is no disctintion between violence used for law enforcement and for everything else. Violence is a language, you speak it or you dont. And i think everyone should know how to speak it
Because the risk of undermining the party line was so great, when bad actors (opportunists) seized the ability to dictate the party line, opposing them became impossible. This is to my mind the best lesson one can gleam from the soviet union, harsh discipline comes with risk
January 28, 2025 at 12:13 AM
Because the risk of undermining the party line was so great, when bad actors (opportunists) seized the ability to dictate the party line, opposing them became impossible. This is to my mind the best lesson one can gleam from the soviet union, harsh discipline comes with risk
Okay. Under Lenin, disciplinary measures within the party chiefly were implemented through expulsion- eg the mensheviks. Under Stalin, these measures were extended first to imprisonment and later to execution for treason.
January 28, 2025 at 12:09 AM
Okay. Under Lenin, disciplinary measures within the party chiefly were implemented through expulsion- eg the mensheviks. Under Stalin, these measures were extended first to imprisonment and later to execution for treason.
And what exactly makes such a threshold impracticable in an anarchist collective? If a majority of the collective agrees a certain threshold is permissible, then they would not agree to punish someone who has not crossed it
January 28, 2025 at 12:03 AM
And what exactly makes such a threshold impracticable in an anarchist collective? If a majority of the collective agrees a certain threshold is permissible, then they would not agree to punish someone who has not crossed it
The ability to handle violent encounters, be it in a stateless society or not, is one anyone can benefit from. Having a general idea of how fighting works used to be the norm, at least among men, before the rise of the modern state.
January 27, 2025 at 11:56 PM
The ability to handle violent encounters, be it in a stateless society or not, is one anyone can benefit from. Having a general idea of how fighting works used to be the norm, at least among men, before the rise of the modern state.
In the current system, serious rulebreakers are deprived of their freedoms by force. In some cases they are deprived of their lives. How is that less supressive of human traits than reacting to severe offenses with dissociation?
January 27, 2025 at 11:52 PM
In the current system, serious rulebreakers are deprived of their freedoms by force. In some cases they are deprived of their lives. How is that less supressive of human traits than reacting to severe offenses with dissociation?