Thanks, Joel! And that article owes much to you, not least for your pointing me to that speech (and to Osborne!).

I had the same reaction. I listened with an open mind and EK was trying hard (maybe too hard) to be charitable, but the whole interview was embarrassing.

Yup. Agree on that.

So if it's a valid argument to trace an argument back to its (unseemly) origins, does that mean that B&W's tracing of the doctrine back to feudalism (if true) is also valid?

Great thank you!

Great!

Could I get on there? (Or maybe I am—having trouble figuring this out).