Heck even if we go line for line this season with the other heros you listed, Florian got more points then all of them... He is only being beat this season by Gravy, Cindra, Kassai, and Verd. So why are you throwing a pity party over there? Seems like he was a sleeper this past PQ.
December 16, 2025 at 9:58 PM
Heck even if we go line for line this season with the other heros you listed, Florian got more points then all of them... He is only being beat this season by Gravy, Cindra, Kassai, and Verd. So why are you throwing a pity party over there? Seems like he was a sleeper this past PQ.
Kayo got 104 Points with a 1.5 multiplier. He isn't a problem. Florian got 108 points without a multiplier. Verd got 412. I think we can agree it wasn't Guardian's season so they need more help than just some dreacts.
December 16, 2025 at 9:50 PM
Kayo got 104 Points with a 1.5 multiplier. He isn't a problem. Florian got 108 points without a multiplier. Verd got 412. I think we can agree it wasn't Guardian's season so they need more help than just some dreacts.
If Brute became oppressive where one was getting 400+ LL points and they wanted to keep them around but remove the claws play pattern from all of them they would. They banned Winter's Wail so they aren't above banning signature weapons. We don't live in that world though.
December 16, 2025 at 9:46 PM
If Brute became oppressive where one was getting 400+ LL points and they wanted to keep them around but remove the claws play pattern from all of them they would. They banned Winter's Wail so they aren't above banning signature weapons. We don't live in that world though.
So the point I guess I'm making is that banning BrB early would be the biggest let down of people watching and waiting for KayoAD to LL for the last two years...
December 16, 2025 at 5:22 PM
So the point I guess I'm making is that banning BrB early would be the biggest let down of people watching and waiting for KayoAD to LL for the last two years...
However, if any earth hero LLs, that does absolutely nothing to any of the other earth heros or classes. They don't even primarily use their own weapons...
December 16, 2025 at 5:20 PM
However, if any earth hero LLs, that does absolutely nothing to any of the other earth heros or classes. They don't even primarily use their own weapons...
Understand, a lot of people are looking forward to the day KayoAD LLs because BrB doesn't even need to get banned. Just the removal of claws shakes up the brute game plan across all the heroes enough that it's an entirely grouping of subclasses.
December 16, 2025 at 5:19 PM
Understand, a lot of people are looking forward to the day KayoAD LLs because BrB doesn't even need to get banned. Just the removal of claws shakes up the brute game plan across all the heroes enough that it's an entirely grouping of subclasses.
They could have also just let him LL with stack Florian. I'm glad we have devs who pay attention to the game state and try to keep some heros around for our enjoyment/investment longer than a year...
December 16, 2025 at 5:12 PM
They could have also just let him LL with stack Florian. I'm glad we have devs who pay attention to the game state and try to keep some heros around for our enjoyment/investment longer than a year...
So if you want, they could have left him alone and this might have been his last RTN season... Reminder he is at 800 LL points and not protected by the .5 multiplier anymore. That's doable in 1-2 weeks of RTN.
December 16, 2025 at 2:02 PM
So if you want, they could have left him alone and this might have been his last RTN season... Reminder he is at 800 LL points and not protected by the .5 multiplier anymore. That's doable in 1-2 weeks of RTN.
So if we only target Verdance's arcane and nerf Gravy, and Cindra the only thing to hold him back in a week is Oscilio. Maybe Fang if fang is still alive in this meta...
December 16, 2025 at 2:00 PM
So if we only target Verdance's arcane and nerf Gravy, and Cindra the only thing to hold him back in a week is Oscilio. Maybe Fang if fang is still alive in this meta...
Verdance's power was too strong and I'd argue Florian's power was ready to come through when Cindra falls. The only thing holding him back was wizards (Kano LLed btw), cindra, and maybe gravy? Not saying talishar data is be-all end-all but he wasn't weak...
December 16, 2025 at 1:56 PM
Verdance's power was too strong and I'd argue Florian's power was ready to come through when Cindra falls. The only thing holding him back was wizards (Kano LLed btw), cindra, and maybe gravy? Not saying talishar data is be-all end-all but he wasn't weak...
Of those you listed, the only one I'd agree on is Ira. Kayo has to discard a card leading to self fatigue rather quickly plus build his deck entirely around 5+s which include a lot of 0 and null blocks. Same as others you mentions plus they they start at lower life...
December 16, 2025 at 1:42 PM
Of those you listed, the only one I'd agree on is Ira. Kayo has to discard a card leading to self fatigue rather quickly plus build his deck entirely around 5+s which include a lot of 0 and null blocks. Same as others you mentions plus they they start at lower life...
Also the whole point of the BnR was to hit the reliability of the top heros: cindra doesn't get a ton of free extra draconics, mario a bunch of free dagger retrieval, earth decompose on defence, and gravy chart which is kinda every everything in a card...
December 16, 2025 at 12:16 AM
Also the whole point of the BnR was to hit the reliability of the top heros: cindra doesn't get a ton of free extra draconics, mario a bunch of free dagger retrieval, earth decompose on defence, and gravy chart which is kinda every everything in a card...
Defending isn't a problem, completing the quest (decomposing) while defending is the problem. I do think people were saying rootbound was a problem before btw, a lot of people were saying this when Florian was 16 dreacts and a runechant stack...
December 15, 2025 at 4:06 PM
Defending isn't a problem, completing the quest (decomposing) while defending is the problem. I do think people were saying rootbound was a problem before btw, a lot of people were saying this when Florian was 16 dreacts and a runechant stack...
I'd agree with the melding too, I think another melding was Channel the Mill Tree. Why does every earth hero get to amp? That should have 100% been just a wizard/earth wizard thing. What about earth makes runechants be worth more than 1 damage each?
December 9, 2025 at 1:59 AM
I'd agree with the melding too, I think another melding was Channel the Mill Tree. Why does every earth hero get to amp? That should have 100% been just a wizard/earth wizard thing. What about earth makes runechants be worth more than 1 damage each?