Or, ...hear me out.....
Ninja Gangsters!!!
Or, ...hear me out.....
Ninja Gangsters!!!
I still don't think that any number of millions of Americans deaths is good. Period
THAT'S the main argument I was making
Quibble about who's numbers are more accurate if you want.
I say they're all too high and I want us to do better than that
Clear?
I still don't think that any number of millions of Americans deaths is good. Period
THAT'S the main argument I was making
Quibble about who's numbers are more accurate if you want.
I say they're all too high and I want us to do better than that
Clear?
It's time for a smart change. Its time for an upgrade to our way of life. For the sake of our kids, for the sake of the planet.
We don't have time for more shit.
We need to do better. Now.
It's time for a smart change. Its time for an upgrade to our way of life. For the sake of our kids, for the sake of the planet.
We don't have time for more shit.
We need to do better. Now.
If there is to be a new system. Let's make something better, lets look at and learn from the horrific examples of the past. And the successes, Please let us progress and not repeat the old mistakes over and over
If there is to be a new system. Let's make something better, lets look at and learn from the horrific examples of the past. And the successes, Please let us progress and not repeat the old mistakes over and over
The point is that it didn't work out so well for the people who made the revolution in the first place.
I don't want to watch the same thing happen again.
I insist we do better this time.
The point is that it didn't work out so well for the people who made the revolution in the first place.
I don't want to watch the same thing happen again.
I insist we do better this time.
Sadly O remember going over these same facts in high school over 50 years ago. So these are not any surprise revelations from google.
Sadly O remember going over these same facts in high school over 50 years ago. So these are not any surprise revelations from google.
I'm tired of the solid history of most every "Peoples Revolution" being turned into a living nightmare for the people themselves.
I'm tired of the solid history of most every "Peoples Revolution" being turned into a living nightmare for the people themselves.
I agree a more cooperative form of government is needed.
I agree any significant change or evolution of our current system will likely involve violence.
I do not agree that Stalinism or Maoism is better at all.
Marx though, He's cool by me.
I agree a more cooperative form of government is needed.
I agree any significant change or evolution of our current system will likely involve violence.
I do not agree that Stalinism or Maoism is better at all.
Marx though, He's cool by me.
I say I don't want ANY number of millions of my fellow Americans and neighbors to die for ANY reason.
Understood?
I say I don't want ANY number of millions of my fellow Americans and neighbors to die for ANY reason.
Understood?
I don't think you are actually aware of the history you espouse.
You can go all conspiracy theory on me if you want and tell me how these deaths were all a good thing, but I don't think anyone believes your "special" version of history.
I don't think you are actually aware of the history you espouse.
You can go all conspiracy theory on me if you want and tell me how these deaths were all a good thing, but I don't think anyone believes your "special" version of history.
Most modern historical consensus places the number of direct and indirect deaths in the range of 6 to 20 million people.
Most modern historical consensus places the number of direct and indirect deaths in the range of 6 to 20 million people.
Gulag system: Millions were subjected to forced labor, and death rates in the camps from maltreatment, starvation, and disease were extremely high. Many did not return from these camps.
Gulag system: Millions were subjected to forced labor, and death rates in the camps from maltreatment, starvation, and disease were extremely high. Many did not return from these camps.
The Great Purge (Great Terror): During this period in the late 1930s, an estimated 750,000 to nearly a million people were executed after being accused of political opposition. Millions more were sent to the Gulag (a system of forced labor camps).
The Great Purge (Great Terror): During this period in the late 1930s, an estimated 750,000 to nearly a million people were executed after being accused of political opposition. Millions more were sent to the Gulag (a system of forced labor camps).
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Forced collectivization and famine: Millions of peasants died during the forced collectivization of farms, most notably during the Holodomor famine in Ukraine in the early 1930s, which claimed as many as 5 to 10 million lives.
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Forced collectivization and famine: Millions of peasants died during the forced collectivization of farms, most notably during the Holodomor famine in Ukraine in the early 1930s, which claimed as many as 5 to 10 million lives.
The point I am making still stands.
Revolution without a plan for afterwards is just stupid. Why are you so against trying to come up with something better than Stalinism or Maoism?
The point I am making still stands.
Revolution without a plan for afterwards is just stupid. Why are you so against trying to come up with something better than Stalinism or Maoism?
I don't know what you are having trouble understanding.
Don't burn the house down before you make plans for the new one. Simple enough?
Do you just want a revolution and no plan?
I don't know what you are having trouble understanding.
Don't burn the house down before you make plans for the new one. Simple enough?
Do you just want a revolution and no plan?
I know things are bad here and now, and we're on our way to some serious turmoil and pain.
I just don't want to burn today down for an even worse tomorrow. I want us to be ready with a better plan.
I know things are bad here and now, and we're on our way to some serious turmoil and pain.
I just don't want to burn today down for an even worse tomorrow. I want us to be ready with a better plan.
I think we should try to do better than that.
I think we should try to do better than that.
I think it's important to plan a new method before destroying the one you've got.
I am not saying "don't push for change"
I am saying: lets figure out how to all push in the same direction so we can actually get somewhere better this time.
Fair?
I think it's important to plan a new method before destroying the one you've got.
I am not saying "don't push for change"
I am saying: lets figure out how to all push in the same direction so we can actually get somewhere better this time.
Fair?