P. Andrew Torrez
@andrewtorrez.bsky.social
HLS '97, ex-BigLaw
Practicing lawyer and cohost of the @lawandchaospod.bsky.social podcast with @lizdye.bsky.social
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6/ That's "no credible evidence" that protests grew out of control, "no evidence" that there was any significant damage to any ICE facility, no credible testimony that ICE was unable to perform its duties & no impact on ICE arrests in and around Portland.
November 3, 2025 at 3:51 AM
6/ That's "no credible evidence" that protests grew out of control, "no evidence" that there was any significant damage to any ICE facility, no credible testimony that ICE was unable to perform its duties & no impact on ICE arrests in and around Portland.
5/ Judge Immergut says she will rule on the merits by Friday. So far, she seems unmoved by the govt's argument that protests in June necessitated sending in troops in October., even under the most deferential standard possible.
November 3, 2025 at 3:48 AM
5/ Judge Immergut says she will rule on the merits by Friday. So far, she seems unmoved by the govt's argument that protests in June necessitated sending in troops in October., even under the most deferential standard possible.
1/ Judge Karen Immergut (a Trump appointee) just issued a remarkable, five-day preliminary injunction in Oregon v. Trump, where the parties just concluded a three-day bench trial on the merits of deploying national guard troops to Portland, Oregon.
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November 3, 2025 at 3:44 AM
1/ Judge Karen Immergut (a Trump appointee) just issued a remarkable, five-day preliminary injunction in Oregon v. Trump, where the parties just concluded a three-day bench trial on the merits of deploying national guard troops to Portland, Oregon.
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1/ In Abrego's criminal trial in the Middle District of Tennessee, the trial judge ordered the gov't to produce documents in camera (that means only to the judge, not Abrego) for initial review.
Absurdly, the gov't DID NOT BATES NUMBER THOSE DOCUMENTS.
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Absurdly, the gov't DID NOT BATES NUMBER THOSE DOCUMENTS.
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October 29, 2025 at 10:30 PM
1/ In Abrego's criminal trial in the Middle District of Tennessee, the trial judge ordered the gov't to produce documents in camera (that means only to the judge, not Abrego) for initial review.
Absurdly, the gov't DID NOT BATES NUMBER THOSE DOCUMENTS.
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Absurdly, the gov't DID NOT BATES NUMBER THOSE DOCUMENTS.
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8/ UPDATE
The 7th Cir issued a 24-hour partial administrative stay, relieving Bovino of his obligation to appear before Judge Ellis today (and only today!) pending briefing by the plaintiffs by tomorrow.
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The 7th Cir issued a 24-hour partial administrative stay, relieving Bovino of his obligation to appear before Judge Ellis today (and only today!) pending briefing by the plaintiffs by tomorrow.
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October 29, 2025 at 9:24 PM
8/ UPDATE
The 7th Cir issued a 24-hour partial administrative stay, relieving Bovino of his obligation to appear before Judge Ellis today (and only today!) pending briefing by the plaintiffs by tomorrow.
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The 7th Cir issued a 24-hour partial administrative stay, relieving Bovino of his obligation to appear before Judge Ellis today (and only today!) pending briefing by the plaintiffs by tomorrow.
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6/ Ultimately, the Court said that the problem wasn't the intrusiveness or the magnitude of the sanction but (1) the *form* and (2) the burden on low-level employees (they're "not even corporate bigwigs"). The 7th Cir invited the trial court to make the defendant pay for the plane tickets, just...
October 29, 2025 at 8:45 PM
6/ Ultimately, the Court said that the problem wasn't the intrusiveness or the magnitude of the sanction but (1) the *form* and (2) the burden on low-level employees (they're "not even corporate bigwigs"). The 7th Cir invited the trial court to make the defendant pay for the plane tickets, just...
5/ The Court foresaw a potential mess with foreign governments. What if the sanctioned party or the witnesses complain to the German government, the 7th circuit asked. "Do we need that?"
October 29, 2025 at 8:45 PM
5/ The Court foresaw a potential mess with foreign governments. What if the sanctioned party or the witnesses complain to the German government, the 7th circuit asked. "Do we need that?"
4/ In particular, the 7th Circuit wasn't certain the court's sanction power pursuant to FRCP 37 extended to compel US citizens living abroad from whom there was a valid alternative (and agreed-upon!) means to compel their testimony.
October 29, 2025 at 8:45 PM
4/ In particular, the 7th Circuit wasn't certain the court's sanction power pursuant to FRCP 37 extended to compel US citizens living abroad from whom there was a valid alternative (and agreed-upon!) means to compel their testimony.
3/ Boehringer involved a trial court sanction that, inter alia, moved depositions from Amsterdam to New York City for 13 witnesses who were either US citizens living abroad or German nationals.
The 7th Circuit said the $1 million fine was okay but wasn't so sure about compelling foreign witnesses.
The 7th Circuit said the $1 million fine was okay but wasn't so sure about compelling foreign witnesses.
October 29, 2025 at 8:45 PM
3/ Boehringer involved a trial court sanction that, inter alia, moved depositions from Amsterdam to New York City for 13 witnesses who were either US citizens living abroad or German nationals.
The 7th Circuit said the $1 million fine was okay but wasn't so sure about compelling foreign witnesses.
The 7th Circuit said the $1 million fine was okay but wasn't so sure about compelling foreign witnesses.
2/ For example, the VERY FIRST CASE this motion cites is In re Boehringer, 745 F.3d 216 (7th Cir. 2014) for the proposition that mandamus is appropriate to reverse court orders that are an abuse of power.
This is a... curious citation, to say the least.
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This is a... curious citation, to say the least.
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October 29, 2025 at 8:45 PM
2/ For example, the VERY FIRST CASE this motion cites is In re Boehringer, 745 F.3d 216 (7th Cir. 2014) for the proposition that mandamus is appropriate to reverse court orders that are an abuse of power.
This is a... curious citation, to say the least.
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This is a... curious citation, to say the least.
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1/ The gov't just asked the 9th Circuit for a writ of mandamus telling Judge Ellis in Chicago she may not force Greg Bovino to show up in her courtroom every day, wear a body cam & personally stop teargassing peaceful protestors.
I don't think it'll work.
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I don't think it'll work.
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October 29, 2025 at 8:45 PM
1/ The gov't just asked the 9th Circuit for a writ of mandamus telling Judge Ellis in Chicago she may not force Greg Bovino to show up in her courtroom every day, wear a body cam & personally stop teargassing peaceful protestors.
I don't think it'll work.
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I don't think it'll work.
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I think Judge Berzon sums up the case for optimism on the last page of his dissent; essentially, he's saying that maybe the judges are keeping their powder dry. I hope he's right.
I fear it may not matter. Three terrible 9th Cir decisions may give SCOTUS's 6 conservatives the fig leaf they want.
I fear it may not matter. Three terrible 9th Cir decisions may give SCOTUS's 6 conservatives the fig leaf they want.
October 23, 2025 at 3:56 AM
I think Judge Berzon sums up the case for optimism on the last page of his dissent; essentially, he's saying that maybe the judges are keeping their powder dry. I hope he's right.
I fear it may not matter. Three terrible 9th Cir decisions may give SCOTUS's 6 conservatives the fig leaf they want.
I fear it may not matter. Three terrible 9th Cir decisions may give SCOTUS's 6 conservatives the fig leaf they want.
Sung was on the original panel so she may have been disqualified, although given her general tepid engagement at oral argument, may have been a no vote.
Berzon suggests the judges may be keeping their powder dry. Let's hope so.
Berzon suggests the judges may be keeping their powder dry. Let's hope so.
October 23, 2025 at 3:38 AM
Sung was on the original panel so she may have been disqualified, although given her general tepid engagement at oral argument, may have been a no vote.
Berzon suggests the judges may be keeping their powder dry. Let's hope so.
Berzon suggests the judges may be keeping their powder dry. Let's hope so.
This paragraph is pretty good, too. It's "I thought we were all textualists now?"
Specifically, 10 USC 12406(3) says the President must be "unable" to execute the laws to federalize the national guard. Why are we letting a panel decision stand saying that "unable" means "minorly inconvenienced"??
Specifically, 10 USC 12406(3) says the President must be "unable" to execute the laws to federalize the national guard. Why are we letting a panel decision stand saying that "unable" means "minorly inconvenienced"??
October 23, 2025 at 3:36 AM
This paragraph is pretty good, too. It's "I thought we were all textualists now?"
Specifically, 10 USC 12406(3) says the President must be "unable" to execute the laws to federalize the national guard. Why are we letting a panel decision stand saying that "unable" means "minorly inconvenienced"??
Specifically, 10 USC 12406(3) says the President must be "unable" to execute the laws to federalize the national guard. Why are we letting a panel decision stand saying that "unable" means "minorly inconvenienced"??
The full 9th Circuit just voted NOT to rehear en banc the panel decision in Newsom v. Trump re: federalized troops in Los Angeles. (The motion for rehearing en banc in the Oregon v. Trump case is still pending.)
No Republican appointees joined the dissent.
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No Republican appointees joined the dissent.
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October 23, 2025 at 1:52 AM
The full 9th Circuit just voted NOT to rehear en banc the panel decision in Newsom v. Trump re: federalized troops in Los Angeles. (The motion for rehearing en banc in the Oregon v. Trump case is still pending.)
No Republican appointees joined the dissent.
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No Republican appointees joined the dissent.
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3/ Judge Graber asked us to try and retain faith in the judicial system for just a little longer.
This feels like that acid test. Portland is not in rebellion. The lasts haven’t broken down. These are lies, and as she says, the judiciary is supposed to operate on facts.
This feels like that acid test. Portland is not in rebellion. The lasts haven’t broken down. These are lies, and as she says, the judiciary is supposed to operate on facts.
October 21, 2025 at 1:27 PM
3/ Judge Graber asked us to try and retain faith in the judicial system for just a little longer.
This feels like that acid test. Portland is not in rebellion. The lasts haven’t broken down. These are lies, and as she says, the judiciary is supposed to operate on facts.
This feels like that acid test. Portland is not in rebellion. The lasts haven’t broken down. These are lies, and as she says, the judiciary is supposed to operate on facts.
7/ If that's the case, the 120 days in the Eastern District of Virginia have LONG since expired.
Erik Siebert was appointed as interim US Attorney on January 20, and his 120 days expired on May 21. The EDVa judges then invoked 546(d) to keep Siebert on the job.
Erik Siebert was appointed as interim US Attorney on January 20, and his 120 days expired on May 21. The EDVa judges then invoked 546(d) to keep Siebert on the job.
October 20, 2025 at 8:22 PM
7/ If that's the case, the 120 days in the Eastern District of Virginia have LONG since expired.
Erik Siebert was appointed as interim US Attorney on January 20, and his 120 days expired on May 21. The EDVa judges then invoked 546(d) to keep Siebert on the job.
Erik Siebert was appointed as interim US Attorney on January 20, and his 120 days expired on May 21. The EDVa judges then invoked 546(d) to keep Siebert on the job.
5/ That was very dumb & did not go over well with the 3rd Circuit. But I think it's critical to note that the DOJ chose to make that weak argument instead of arguing that it could re-appoint Habba under 28 USC 546.
The trial court held that the President gets 120 days TOTAL under 546.
The trial court held that the President gets 120 days TOTAL under 546.
October 20, 2025 at 8:22 PM
5/ That was very dumb & did not go over well with the 3rd Circuit. But I think it's critical to note that the DOJ chose to make that weak argument instead of arguing that it could re-appoint Habba under 28 USC 546.
The trial court held that the President gets 120 days TOTAL under 546.
The trial court held that the President gets 120 days TOTAL under 546.
3/ Otherwise, the position becomes vacant & the Federal Vacancies Reform Act, 5 USC 3345, kicks in.
That means the First Assistant automatically ascends to be "Acting" US Attorney unless the President nominates someone qualified under (a)(2) or (3).
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That means the First Assistant automatically ascends to be "Acting" US Attorney unless the President nominates someone qualified under (a)(2) or (3).
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October 20, 2025 at 8:22 PM
3/ Otherwise, the position becomes vacant & the Federal Vacancies Reform Act, 5 USC 3345, kicks in.
That means the First Assistant automatically ascends to be "Acting" US Attorney unless the President nominates someone qualified under (a)(2) or (3).
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That means the First Assistant automatically ascends to be "Acting" US Attorney unless the President nominates someone qualified under (a)(2) or (3).
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2/ Halligan was appointed pursuant to 28 USC 546, which authorizes the appointment of an "Interim" US Attorney for 120 days.
Once those 120 days are up, the "interim" lawyer is out & only the judges in the district can appoint someone to stay on the job.
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Once those 120 days are up, the "interim" lawyer is out & only the judges in the district can appoint someone to stay on the job.
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October 20, 2025 at 8:22 PM
2/ Halligan was appointed pursuant to 28 USC 546, which authorizes the appointment of an "Interim" US Attorney for 120 days.
Once those 120 days are up, the "interim" lawyer is out & only the judges in the district can appoint someone to stay on the job.
www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/...
Once those 120 days are up, the "interim" lawyer is out & only the judges in the district can appoint someone to stay on the job.
www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/...
1/ Thanks to Comey's lawyers, we have the appointment order for Lindsey Halligan in EDVa that the gov't has been trying to hide for weeks.
I think it means Halligan is not long for this job & the Comey and Tish James indictments not long for this world.
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I think it means Halligan is not long for this job & the Comey and Tish James indictments not long for this world.
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October 20, 2025 at 8:22 PM
1/ Thanks to Comey's lawyers, we have the appointment order for Lindsey Halligan in EDVa that the gov't has been trying to hide for weeks.
I think it means Halligan is not long for this job & the Comey and Tish James indictments not long for this world.
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I think it means Halligan is not long for this job & the Comey and Tish James indictments not long for this world.
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A little light morning reading.
(Peter Ticktin has repeatedly represented THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES in court.)
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(Peter Ticktin has repeatedly represented THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES in court.)
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October 19, 2025 at 3:27 PM
A little light morning reading.
(Peter Ticktin has repeatedly represented THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES in court.)
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(Peter Ticktin has repeatedly represented THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES in court.)
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1/ MSNBC is reporting that the US Atty for Maryland, Kelly Hayes -- who just indicted John Bolton at Trump's behest -- is herself "bracing for being fired" by Trump when she refuses to bring a bullshit, Lindsey Halligan-style indictment of Adam Schiff.
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October 17, 2025 at 4:34 PM
1/ MSNBC is reporting that the US Atty for Maryland, Kelly Hayes -- who just indicted John Bolton at Trump's behest -- is herself "bracing for being fired" by Trump when she refuses to bring a bullshit, Lindsey Halligan-style indictment of Adam Schiff.
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Also, we go 2-for-2 in predictions as SCOTUS tells Alex Jones to eat shit JUST LIKE WE TOLD YOU (and notwithstanding his lawyers laughably saying they'd get a "unanimous" vote, even though certiorari doesn't work that way)
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October 14, 2025 at 4:07 PM
Also, we go 2-for-2 in predictions as SCOTUS tells Alex Jones to eat shit JUST LIKE WE TOLD YOU (and notwithstanding his lawyers laughably saying they'd get a "unanimous" vote, even though certiorari doesn't work that way)
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2/ Today, Judge Smith entered the order we discuss, "clarifying" & enforcing his injunction preventing the admin from "ham-handed[ly] attempt to bully" states into accepting anti-immigrant conditions to get FEMA aid, calling the new language a "fig leaf."
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October 14, 2025 at 3:58 PM
2/ Today, Judge Smith entered the order we discuss, "clarifying" & enforcing his injunction preventing the admin from "ham-handed[ly] attempt to bully" states into accepting anti-immigrant conditions to get FEMA aid, calling the new language a "fig leaf."
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