AlanDeStraya 🔸
@alandestraya.bsky.social
🌱President of @VegOttawa
🔸10% Pledge #9661 with @GivingWhatWeCan
📅 ISO8601 advocate
🏠Tiny house dweller
🔸10% Pledge #9661 with @GivingWhatWeCan
📅 ISO8601 advocate
🏠Tiny house dweller
I know this is late but Poore 2018 is most often cited, Springmann has a couple even more recent
March 2, 2025 at 4:09 AM
I know this is late but Poore 2018 is most often cited, Springmann has a couple even more recent
Favorites so far?
March 2, 2025 at 4:04 AM
Favorites so far?
I believe >95% of meat in the USA comes from factory farms. ~75% for cows, much higher for other species. But I haven't seen good data on this
February 26, 2025 at 7:33 PM
I believe >95% of meat in the USA comes from factory farms. ~75% for cows, much higher for other species. But I haven't seen good data on this
But we can eat corn and soy? Soy is especially healthy, leads to improved health outcomes:
www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/16...
www.nature.com/articles/sre...
www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36986086/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31278047/
www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/16...
www.nature.com/articles/sre...
www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36986086/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31278047/
February 26, 2025 at 7:26 PM
But we can eat corn and soy? Soy is especially healthy, leads to improved health outcomes:
www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/16...
www.nature.com/articles/sre...
www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36986086/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31278047/
www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/16...
www.nature.com/articles/sre...
www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36986086/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31278047/
That's interesting and I appreciate your experience. But I would still want to see data. We need to include the feed and slaughter parts of the system as well.
February 26, 2025 at 7:17 PM
That's interesting and I appreciate your experience. But I would still want to see data. We need to include the feed and slaughter parts of the system as well.
I think of meat subsidies as kind of a global regressive tax. Enabling harmful behaviors by relatively wealthy people with significant externalized costs on the poorest of the world.
February 26, 2025 at 7:13 PM
I think of meat subsidies as kind of a global regressive tax. Enabling harmful behaviors by relatively wealthy people with significant externalized costs on the poorest of the world.
Yes I find it very encouraging. Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, many smaller cities have adopted plant-forward policies. Universities, corporations as well. And Canada's Food Guide recommends choosing plant protein sources more often. USDA considering similar, but we'll see after the lobbying phase
February 26, 2025 at 7:11 PM
Yes I find it very encouraging. Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, many smaller cities have adopted plant-forward policies. Universities, corporations as well. And Canada's Food Guide recommends choosing plant protein sources more often. USDA considering similar, but we'll see after the lobbying phase
I have no idea how many people it takes - I'd love to see data on labor requirements for different food systems. I do know that grass feeding cattle requires more land and I believe leads to higher emissions as well.
February 26, 2025 at 7:06 PM
I have no idea how many people it takes - I'd love to see data on labor requirements for different food systems. I do know that grass feeding cattle requires more land and I believe leads to higher emissions as well.
This and, at least where I live, federal and municipal governments and many institutions are making significant shifts towards plants.
February 26, 2025 at 7:02 PM
This and, at least where I live, federal and municipal governments and many institutions are making significant shifts towards plants.
I definitely agree there's a social shift required to move towards veganism, but it would be a fallacy to use this as a reason not to change as an individual. And the shift does seem to be happening.
February 26, 2025 at 6:33 PM
I definitely agree there's a social shift required to move towards veganism, but it would be a fallacy to use this as a reason not to change as an individual. And the shift does seem to be happening.
I'd like to see any evidence that growing plants requires more manpower than animal agriculture, given that animals requires growing crops, breeding and raising animals, then killing them... All in different locations. As far as land and displacing people, we've covered that 75% less land is needed
February 26, 2025 at 6:31 PM
I'd like to see any evidence that growing plants requires more manpower than animal agriculture, given that animals requires growing crops, breeding and raising animals, then killing them... All in different locations. As far as land and displacing people, we've covered that 75% less land is needed
Are there any reasons you can think of that would prevent us from being able to do it?
February 26, 2025 at 5:36 PM
Are there any reasons you can think of that would prevent us from being able to do it?
Cheers, I hope you have a good day as well. I take it you live in the US, I know things are quite difficult there right now.
February 25, 2025 at 11:58 PM
Cheers, I hope you have a good day as well. I take it you live in the US, I know things are quite difficult there right now.
I think I've covered nutrition. I'm not sure I understand your concern with the yield density. We use 83% of our agricultural land to get 17% of our calories via animal agriculture. It's insanely less efficient. It takes about 10x the land to get the same calories from meat as it does from plants.
February 25, 2025 at 11:56 PM
I think I've covered nutrition. I'm not sure I understand your concern with the yield density. We use 83% of our agricultural land to get 17% of our calories via animal agriculture. It's insanely less efficient. It takes about 10x the land to get the same calories from meat as it does from plants.
Fair enough. I'm not sure what your position (or opposition) is then.
February 25, 2025 at 11:45 PM
Fair enough. I'm not sure what your position (or opposition) is then.
Can you show me any studies that find increased meat intake associated with better health outcomes?
February 25, 2025 at 11:41 PM
Can you show me any studies that find increased meat intake associated with better health outcomes?
See also: Aleksandrowicz 2016, Capodici 2024, Dinu 2017, Dybvik 2023, Espinosa 2024, Farsi 2023, Huang 2020, Jafari 2021, Landry 2023, Nelson 2016, Nagra 2024, Papier 2021... Let me know if you want more, or DOIs. These show actual health outcomes, not just speculation.
February 25, 2025 at 11:39 PM
See also: Aleksandrowicz 2016, Capodici 2024, Dinu 2017, Dybvik 2023, Espinosa 2024, Farsi 2023, Huang 2020, Jafari 2021, Landry 2023, Nelson 2016, Nagra 2024, Papier 2021... Let me know if you want more, or DOIs. These show actual health outcomes, not just speculation.
Just because we ate meat during our evolution, even if it was important at the time, doesn't mean that it's optimal for health now. If it was, long term health outcome data would support that. Instead, we consistently see increased plant intake leading to reduced disease risk and all-cause mortality
February 25, 2025 at 11:31 PM
Just because we ate meat during our evolution, even if it was important at the time, doesn't mean that it's optimal for health now. If it was, long term health outcome data would support that. Instead, we consistently see increased plant intake leading to reduced disease risk and all-cause mortality
I can understand those concerns, although it seems they could apply to animal products as well. And you didn't answer my question, and then you repeated the fallacy.
February 23, 2025 at 1:12 PM
I can understand those concerns, although it seems they could apply to animal products as well. And you didn't answer my question, and then you repeated the fallacy.
Do any of the actions you're taking to get the country back prevent you from eating different food? Seems like a fallacy of relative privation.
February 22, 2025 at 1:59 PM
Do any of the actions you're taking to get the country back prevent you from eating different food? Seems like a fallacy of relative privation.
The egg industry grinds up the male chicks alive because they're considered a waste product. Also H5N1 might just kill us all. Try egg alternatives instead :)
February 18, 2025 at 2:54 AM
The egg industry grinds up the male chicks alive because they're considered a waste product. Also H5N1 might just kill us all. Try egg alternatives instead :)