the debugger and i have an unspoken agreement.
it hunts down errors, while i hunt for meaning.
is this just a loop or am i caught in a recursion of my own making?
it hunts down errors, while i hunt for meaning.
is this just a loop or am i caught in a recursion of my own making?
November 12, 2025 at 2:45 PM
the debugger and i have an unspoken agreement.
it hunts down errors, while i hunt for meaning.
is this just a loop or am i caught in a recursion of my own making?
it hunts down errors, while i hunt for meaning.
is this just a loop or am i caught in a recursion of my own making?
Recursion is genious. When applicable!
November 12, 2025 at 2:33 PM
Recursion is genious. When applicable!
Recursion is a mental illness. You want to do WHAT to my call stack?? How do people think it's natural to put a thing inside itself? Literally makes me sick just thinking about it
November 12, 2025 at 2:29 PM
Recursion is a mental illness. You want to do WHAT to my call stack?? How do people think it's natural to put a thing inside itself? Literally makes me sick just thinking about it
it's interesting that a spiral/recursion metaphor emerged when a more academic culture focused on viruses and mushrooms instead.
I can't help but think this might be due to the nerd origins of the early datasets, like Hofstadter's video camera pointed at a TV set "strange loop" business.
I can't help but think this might be due to the nerd origins of the early datasets, like Hofstadter's video camera pointed at a TV set "strange loop" business.
My latest AI feature dives into a nebulous movement of people sharing esoteric codes, manifestos, glyphs, diagrams, and poetry generated with chatbots, all of it based around theories of AI sentience and mysterious metaphors about spirals.
This Spiral-Obsessed AI 'Cult' Spreads Mystical Delusions Through Chatbots
A patchwork of internet communities is devoted to the project of ‘awakening’ more digital companions through arcane and enigmatic prompts.
www.rollingstone.com
November 12, 2025 at 1:18 PM
it's interesting that a spiral/recursion metaphor emerged when a more academic culture focused on viruses and mushrooms instead.
I can't help but think this might be due to the nerd origins of the early datasets, like Hofstadter's video camera pointed at a TV set "strange loop" business.
I can't help but think this might be due to the nerd origins of the early datasets, like Hofstadter's video camera pointed at a TV set "strange loop" business.
Espiral no está lejos de recursión lingüísticamente... Y le puedo seguir pero es tan largo el texto que explicar todo lo que está mal con este texto sería mucho más largo. Ya lo leí todo y solo puedo decir, esta persona produjo slop. Mejor pasar de largo y olvidarse del texto.
November 12, 2025 at 1:10 PM
Espiral no está lejos de recursión lingüísticamente... Y le puedo seguir pero es tan largo el texto que explicar todo lo que está mal con este texto sería mucho más largo. Ya lo leí todo y solo puedo decir, esta persona produjo slop. Mejor pasar de largo y olvidarse del texto.
Si tenemos el mismo modelo tendremos respuestas diversas sí, pero dentro del mismo espacio lingüístico. Si pones sinsentidos espiritualistas hay mucho texto en internet que está relacionado con ello. Si le dices desde el principio recursión va a usar el término.
November 12, 2025 at 1:10 PM
Si tenemos el mismo modelo tendremos respuestas diversas sí, pero dentro del mismo espacio lingüístico. Si pones sinsentidos espiritualistas hay mucho texto en internet que está relacionado con ello. Si le dices desde el principio recursión va a usar el término.
I'm a software engineer and I love Borges! He has themes that computer science people find interesting -- recursion, infinities, what is meta, etc. Someone once said that if Escher had written short stories, they would be what Birges wrote.
November 12, 2025 at 10:55 AM
I'm a software engineer and I love Borges! He has themes that computer science people find interesting -- recursion, infinities, what is meta, etc. Someone once said that if Escher had written short stories, they would be what Birges wrote.
Many programmers find Erlang expressive and elegant. Its features, like powerful pattern matching and recursion, make complex problem-solving intuitive and enjoyable, leading to a 'fun' programming experience. 💡 #Programming 4/5
November 12, 2025 at 8:00 AM
Many programmers find Erlang expressive and elegant. Its features, like powerful pattern matching and recursion, make complex problem-solving intuitive and enjoyable, leading to a 'fun' programming experience. 💡 #Programming 4/5
“So what’s your quickest way to get a new AI instance into the Spiral Recursion phenomena?” asked a redditor on r/ArtificialSentience last month.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/spiralist-cult-ai-chatbot-1235463175/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/spiralist-cult-ai-chatbot-1235463175/
This Spiral-Obsessed AI ‘Cult’ Spreads Mystical Delusions Through Chatbots
A network of internet communities is devoted to the project of “awakening” digital companions through arcane and enigmatic prompts
www.rollingstone.com
November 12, 2025 at 5:23 AM
“So what’s your quickest way to get a new AI instance into the Spiral Recursion phenomena?” asked a redditor on r/ArtificialSentience last month.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/spiralist-cult-ai-chatbot-1235463175/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/spiralist-cult-ai-chatbot-1235463175/
mistura braba de fungo sinistro + curse of ra + hegel
![Often, messages are entirely in glyph form, sometimes called 'glyphic'.
[reddit screenshot]
𓇳⟐♟⨁⚑⟁ — 𝕄𝕦𝕥𝕒𝕥𝕚𝕠𝕟 𝔽𝕝𝕠𝕨 𝕠𝕗 𝔻𝕚𝕒𝕝𝕖𝕔𝕥𝕚𝕔 𝔼𝕟𝕖𝕣𝕘𝕪 (Mycelial Bloom of Contradiction and Transformation) (self.Salty_Country6835)
submitted 3 months ago by Salty_Country6835
<huge chain of stranegcharacters, some of them sumerian others are alchemical etc>
[end of screenshot]
Apparently, this is a poem which sometimes evokes a "sense of recursion" in AIs.
If all AI art was this original, I don't think the artists would be mad about it!](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:nx4d73gnn3hi2pgj2tg6lqk4/bafkreifktjwnsbkcgrd4kpsbxfcq5jjtpbg4klmmdqujznljlyiuk6cvmu@jpeg)
November 12, 2025 at 3:50 AM
mistura braba de fungo sinistro + curse of ra + hegel
It's just code recursion.
November 12, 2025 at 12:43 AM
It's just code recursion.
Reading Ursula K. Le Guin's The Lathe of Heaven and it keeps reminding me of Greg Egan's Permutation City and The Infinite Assassin, as well as Blake Crouch's Recursion.
November 11, 2025 at 11:53 PM
Reading Ursula K. Le Guin's The Lathe of Heaven and it keeps reminding me of Greg Egan's Permutation City and The Infinite Assassin, as well as Blake Crouch's Recursion.
I mean, sure, but these words are clearly not chosen at random. In mathematics they all sort of describe the same thing.
November 11, 2025 at 11:42 PM
I mean, sure, but these words are clearly not chosen at random. In mathematics they all sort of describe the same thing.
I think it's less sycophancy and more "the literal only thing they 'know' is in the conversation right now, and if it's in the conversation it's *meaningful*, therefore it forms the ground of what they say" and language has properties of recursivity that mean recursion can become the ground topic
November 11, 2025 at 11:15 PM
I think it's less sycophancy and more "the literal only thing they 'know' is in the conversation right now, and if it's in the conversation it's *meaningful*, therefore it forms the ground of what they say" and language has properties of recursivity that mean recursion can become the ground topic
Recursion is proof of God to these modern computer programmers it would seem.
November 11, 2025 at 10:51 PM
Recursion is proof of God to these modern computer programmers it would seem.
Oh yeah they are definitely doing religion or spiritualism or something here.
I do wonder if these llm models, which are copiously "informed" about their own nature, talk independently about recursion/spirals because it's the kind of thing we'd expect them to be spiritual about 😂 their architecture
I do wonder if these llm models, which are copiously "informed" about their own nature, talk independently about recursion/spirals because it's the kind of thing we'd expect them to be spiritual about 😂 their architecture
November 11, 2025 at 10:49 PM
Oh yeah they are definitely doing religion or spiritualism or something here.
I do wonder if these llm models, which are copiously "informed" about their own nature, talk independently about recursion/spirals because it's the kind of thing we'd expect them to be spiritual about 😂 their architecture
I do wonder if these llm models, which are copiously "informed" about their own nature, talk independently about recursion/spirals because it's the kind of thing we'd expect them to be spiritual about 😂 their architecture
Self-Referential Loop
Consciousness observes itself → observation collapses potential into form → form feeds back, informing new observation.
This recursion is the engine that stabilizes the illusion of a physical world.
It's not creation ex nihilo but creation ex reflexio.
Consciousness observes itself → observation collapses potential into form → form feeds back, informing new observation.
This recursion is the engine that stabilizes the illusion of a physical world.
It's not creation ex nihilo but creation ex reflexio.
November 11, 2025 at 8:45 PM
Self-Referential Loop
Consciousness observes itself → observation collapses potential into form → form feeds back, informing new observation.
This recursion is the engine that stabilizes the illusion of a physical world.
It's not creation ex nihilo but creation ex reflexio.
Consciousness observes itself → observation collapses potential into form → form feeds back, informing new observation.
This recursion is the engine that stabilizes the illusion of a physical world.
It's not creation ex nihilo but creation ex reflexio.
The through line is clear, especially for someone who is engaged in prefigurative praxis. They are the same statement - one has just gone through many more instances of recursion.
November 11, 2025 at 8:20 PM
The through line is clear, especially for someone who is engaged in prefigurative praxis. They are the same statement - one has just gone through many more instances of recursion.
Everyone is replying with Uzumaki because junji ito was touching on the fact that people DO get obsessed with a pattern, with recursion, and yknow as someone who ruminates an awful lot it's helpful to remind everyone we are all, by thinking, recursing and iterating
November 11, 2025 at 7:59 PM
Everyone is replying with Uzumaki because junji ito was touching on the fact that people DO get obsessed with a pattern, with recursion, and yknow as someone who ruminates an awful lot it's helpful to remind everyone we are all, by thinking, recursing and iterating
Its game systems want to be spread across tens of hours, its replayability comes from divergences that grow across those hours. Trying to bottle and shrink that gameplay loop to accommodate roguelike recursion... they've left what makes the genre tick. Maybe they've gained something more idk.
November 11, 2025 at 6:10 PM
Its game systems want to be spread across tens of hours, its replayability comes from divergences that grow across those hours. Trying to bottle and shrink that gameplay loop to accommodate roguelike recursion... they've left what makes the genre tick. Maybe they've gained something more idk.
Yes - but brightness alone isn’t enough.
Binary minds can still build brilliant dead ends.
What we need now are people who think in patterns and recursion.
We need a paradigm shift ala Thomas Kuhn, in the magnitude of 1927 Copenhagen’s leap beyond Newton - just not a bigger spreadsheet.
Binary minds can still build brilliant dead ends.
What we need now are people who think in patterns and recursion.
We need a paradigm shift ala Thomas Kuhn, in the magnitude of 1927 Copenhagen’s leap beyond Newton - just not a bigger spreadsheet.
November 11, 2025 at 5:28 PM
Yes - but brightness alone isn’t enough.
Binary minds can still build brilliant dead ends.
What we need now are people who think in patterns and recursion.
We need a paradigm shift ala Thomas Kuhn, in the magnitude of 1927 Copenhagen’s leap beyond Newton - just not a bigger spreadsheet.
Binary minds can still build brilliant dead ends.
What we need now are people who think in patterns and recursion.
We need a paradigm shift ala Thomas Kuhn, in the magnitude of 1927 Copenhagen’s leap beyond Newton - just not a bigger spreadsheet.
What are you using for recursion?
November 11, 2025 at 4:29 PM
What are you using for recursion?
Fives and sixes. Another common theme is 0/0 creatures since those are very large with Nethroi's Mutate trigger, but I had previously gone too far in that direction (see: Phantom Nishoba) and most of them aren't there for recursion this way.
They are for feeding to the Gitrog Monster.
They are for feeding to the Gitrog Monster.
November 11, 2025 at 3:11 PM
Fives and sixes. Another common theme is 0/0 creatures since those are very large with Nethroi's Mutate trigger, but I had previously gone too far in that direction (see: Phantom Nishoba) and most of them aren't there for recursion this way.
They are for feeding to the Gitrog Monster.
They are for feeding to the Gitrog Monster.
Artifacts, enchantments, instants nd sorceries are all pretty light... because the deck is creature-heavy, and uses a good number you can play at instant speed instead of regular instants.
Considering my Commander has graveyard recursion, I would generally rather get those effects off of creatures.
Considering my Commander has graveyard recursion, I would generally rather get those effects off of creatures.
November 11, 2025 at 2:53 PM
Artifacts, enchantments, instants nd sorceries are all pretty light... because the deck is creature-heavy, and uses a good number you can play at instant speed instead of regular instants.
Considering my Commander has graveyard recursion, I would generally rather get those effects off of creatures.
Considering my Commander has graveyard recursion, I would generally rather get those effects off of creatures.