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Most excellent.

It's helpful to understand his framework, but it's been deleterious for popular approaches to the study of mythology because it sucks up all the oxygen. There's not enough public interest/scholarly need to supplant it with something better.

Mercifully, not the case with media studies.

That's the power of influence and reach, his sheer presence in how story (and by proxy popular media) is understood at the popular level necessitates that a wide swath of creatives will have been exposed to that framework and incorporated it into their own work. So it has utility in and of itself

That, and he nevertheless was able to pierce the public consciousness by being associated with one of the most popular film franchises on the planet.

The problem with Campbell is that his theories were outmoded before he got around to publishing them.

It's a matter of how TVTropes developed, as a half-baked database tilting towards media theory, but that once alternative frameworks became widely accessible, TVT was already dominant in fan culture, and has stymied the adoption of, frankly, frameworks which offer more analytic utility.

I don't think one needs to have a vested interest in something to make a case for it. It just happens that I think you're being unreasonably hostile towards a perfectly fine media form, while equating it with things like "overstimulation videos" instead of treating it like the adaptation it is.

I don't listen to audiobooks, nor do I watch films at 2x speed.

I'm explaining how semiosis works, and in doing so, revealing that your definition of passive and active media makes no sense from the perspective of either media theory or semiotics.

But it's fine, this isn't really getting anywhere.

I'll stop here.

I guess to go back to the active/passive aspect. You can actively and passively listen as well right?

So if someone is listening to an audiobook as ambient noise while attending to some other task, that's quite a different experience than listening attentively to an audiobook by itself.

They all necessarily involve the reader/listener/viewer in the process of decoding the media they are engaging with, which is an active process.

All media involves a "reader" in the process, it's just that books use written text, music/audio uses sounds, and film issues images. Semiosis happens in every case, and one isn't really more or less "active" than the others.

Semiosis occurs with the written word as much as it does with the spoken word; so too for images. Or would you make the case that having this discussion via social media is active, while if we were having it in person would be passive?

You keep saying "passive/active" medium, but the passive/active aspect isn't dependent on the media itself, but in how engaged the audience is with it. A film doesn't become more "active" with the addition of subtitles, so reading alone isn't a sufficiently distinct factor.

Seems like you really just don't like audiobooks and are looking for a way to justify your disdain? I think acknowledging that they are doing something fundamentally different, and aren't intended to be a replacement for books, would temper that disdain? But maybe your hate it too pure?

Audiobooks are able to incorporate elements which are otherwise absent, sound design, soundtrack, etc., which if nothing else adds something to the experience.

There's no benefit to watching a film at 2x