Stephen DeCasien, Ph.D.
@sdecasien.bsky.social
Nautical Archaeologist & Ancient Historian • Greek & Roman Maritime History & Archaeology • Naval Warfare, Warships, & Naval Rams • Postdoc Research Fellow at Dalian University of Technology (DUT), China • PhD from TAMU.
http://stephendecasien.com
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Yes, a beautiful but very depressing site. I had no idea that “official” excavations and preservation of the site did not start until the 1980s and some artifacts are still being returned to this day. My Chinese colleagues like to remind me that Chinese archaeology is still “young”.
November 8, 2025 at 11:01 PM
Yes, a beautiful but very depressing site. I had no idea that “official” excavations and preservation of the site did not start until the 1980s and some artifacts are still being returned to this day. My Chinese colleagues like to remind me that Chinese archaeology is still “young”.
All the translation issues aside it seems that some sort of ramming vessel likely developed in ancient China around the late 500s BCE, but only according to later Eastern Han sources and later Song sources citing Han ones….typical ancient text issues 😅.
November 3, 2025 at 7:13 PM
All the translation issues aside it seems that some sort of ramming vessel likely developed in ancient China around the late 500s BCE, but only according to later Eastern Han sources and later Song sources citing Han ones….typical ancient text issues 😅.
Yes! I wrote an intro piece for the SCS blog, idk if it will come out or not. Also working on a paper with my Chinese colleagues, lots of bad interpretations & translation errors from ancient Chinese - modern Chinese - English which is the first problem in understanding these early Chinese vessels.
November 3, 2025 at 7:13 PM
Yes! I wrote an intro piece for the SCS blog, idk if it will come out or not. Also working on a paper with my Chinese colleagues, lots of bad interpretations & translation errors from ancient Chinese - modern Chinese - English which is the first problem in understanding these early Chinese vessels.
Exactly! Also it’s in line with the upper wale timers which kinda supports that argument. But I have seen good arguments for and against. In any case, a beautiful piece and I wonder how much of it originally had color? One of the few depictions of a prow castle or ship siege tower as well.
November 3, 2025 at 6:56 PM
Exactly! Also it’s in line with the upper wale timers which kinda supports that argument. But I have seen good arguments for and against. In any case, a beautiful piece and I wonder how much of it originally had color? One of the few depictions of a prow castle or ship siege tower as well.
Trying to make it interesting for the students and maybe inspire one or two to study the topics further!
November 3, 2025 at 10:07 AM
Trying to make it interesting for the students and maybe inspire one or two to study the topics further!
I handle the Greek and Roman sources, my colleague selects the Chinese ones, and we do each part separately and then we compare & reflect together with the class on various “ancient lessons” or “issues” like why ramming?! I’m also learning a great deal about ancient China through this collaboration.
November 3, 2025 at 10:06 AM
I handle the Greek and Roman sources, my colleague selects the Chinese ones, and we do each part separately and then we compare & reflect together with the class on various “ancient lessons” or “issues” like why ramming?! I’m also learning a great deal about ancient China through this collaboration.
This is my first co-taught course. My colleague specializes in ancient Chinese history and archaeology, while I focus on Greek and Roman studies. We explore broad themes like seafaring and trade in the Roman and Han empires, and warfare in the Warring States period and the Peloponnesian War.
November 3, 2025 at 10:06 AM
This is my first co-taught course. My colleague specializes in ancient Chinese history and archaeology, while I focus on Greek and Roman studies. We explore broad themes like seafaring and trade in the Roman and Han empires, and warfare in the Warring States period and the Peloponnesian War.
I have! When it was in the Vatican museum a few years ago. I always took the crocodile as a *very* stylistic proembolion (upper ram) like other stag, wolf, etc examples.
November 3, 2025 at 12:29 AM
I have! When it was in the Vatican museum a few years ago. I always took the crocodile as a *very* stylistic proembolion (upper ram) like other stag, wolf, etc examples.
The easiest answer is we see the first “rams” in Greece during the mid Archaic period in the style of a boar’s head. However, and some scholars disagree, I believe the earliest rams sometimes referred to as “proto-rams” are seen in the Levant in the early Archaic period.
October 29, 2025 at 10:44 PM
The easiest answer is we see the first “rams” in Greece during the mid Archaic period in the style of a boar’s head. However, and some scholars disagree, I believe the earliest rams sometimes referred to as “proto-rams” are seen in the Levant in the early Archaic period.
Quick and easy: A three-bladed waterline ram is a naval weapon cast in bronze, featuring three horizontal fins (sometimes called blades) mounted on the ship’s cutwater at the waterline, used to ram an enemy ship and channel the shock safely through reinforced timbers.
October 29, 2025 at 10:35 PM
Quick and easy: A three-bladed waterline ram is a naval weapon cast in bronze, featuring three horizontal fins (sometimes called blades) mounted on the ship’s cutwater at the waterline, used to ram an enemy ship and channel the shock safely through reinforced timbers.
I love all these examples! And you kinda hit it right on the head…some of trireme rhyta are the earliest three-bladed examples we have though the dating is concerning. Casson and Morrison both mention this issue.
October 29, 2025 at 10:28 PM
I love all these examples! And you kinda hit it right on the head…some of trireme rhyta are the earliest three-bladed examples we have though the dating is concerning. Casson and Morrison both mention this issue.
I am trying to get the 3D print material specifically for investment casting to work better so then I can quickly cast my own mini fleet 🤣
October 29, 2025 at 10:25 PM
I am trying to get the 3D print material specifically for investment casting to work better so then I can quickly cast my own mini fleet 🤣
Sometimes the brain does what it wants with words! Must be the my New Jersey slang where “yeaaa, no” = no and “no, yeaaa” = yes. So definitely not definitive feels right. 😅
October 29, 2025 at 10:22 PM
Sometimes the brain does what it wants with words! Must be the my New Jersey slang where “yeaaa, no” = no and “no, yeaaa” = yes. So definitely not definitive feels right. 😅
Around 3 hours!
October 29, 2025 at 12:04 PM
Around 3 hours!
Long awkward thread because I’m waiting for this 3D ram to finish to use for an upcoming invited lecture 😅
October 29, 2025 at 11:17 AM
Long awkward thread because I’m waiting for this 3D ram to finish to use for an upcoming invited lecture 😅
In addition, interpretations based on archaeological evidence of rams and reconstructions such as the Olympias may not fully apply to this earlier stage of naval development.
October 29, 2025 at 11:14 AM
In addition, interpretations based on archaeological evidence of rams and reconstructions such as the Olympias may not fully apply to this earlier stage of naval development.
So when scholars reflect on naval warfare prior to and during the Greco-Persian Wars, we likely shouldn’t assume we are looking at a fully developed warship functioning as a complete, specialized weapon system.
October 29, 2025 at 11:14 AM
So when scholars reflect on naval warfare prior to and during the Greco-Persian Wars, we likely shouldn’t assume we are looking at a fully developed warship functioning as a complete, specialized weapon system.
This might suggest that the Greco-Persian Wars mark the first period in which we begin to see this design appear, or at least the transitional stage that led to it.
October 29, 2025 at 11:14 AM
This might suggest that the Greco-Persian Wars mark the first period in which we begin to see this design appear, or at least the transitional stage that led to it.
What stands out is that I haven’t yet come across any securely dated depictions of a three-bladed waterline ram before the Peloponnesian War (some confusing rock engravings and maybe a coin or two, but definitely not definitive).
October 29, 2025 at 11:14 AM
What stands out is that I haven’t yet come across any securely dated depictions of a three-bladed waterline ram before the Peloponnesian War (some confusing rock engravings and maybe a coin or two, but definitely not definitive).
The Battle of the Egadi Islands was as much a clash of logistics and production as it was of tactics, and the rams may be our most tangible sign of that imbalance.
October 27, 2025 at 2:33 PM
The Battle of the Egadi Islands was as much a clash of logistics and production as it was of tactics, and the rams may be our most tangible sign of that imbalance.