At some point these imbeciles are going to realise that arts courses are *funding* the courses they do like and if they cut those places unis will just go bankrupt so no maths or science either.

Couldn’t agree with this thread more. Uk politics lacks people with the conviction and courage to articulate a vision and be honest about trade offs. Labour a massive disappointment.

If a government with over 400 seats and 4 years left to govern cannot summon the courage to level with the public on social care then I despair at the capacity of our political system to ever deliver the change we need.

Until and unless we have a political class willing and able to state these basic truths about social care, reform its provision so it doesn’t carry on destroying local govt, and actually raise the taxes needed to fund it properly, we are, not to put to fine a point on it, f***ed on this issue.

Mean time, the way is opened further for populists to exploit the inevitable failure to achieve the promised but unachievable. Does our politics have to be this bad?

And enough of the OTHER voters a Labour government needs will think "I'm not voting for you, you're no better than the other lot" that you're fucked.