The principle I think is well recognised and flows from the unelected nature of the Lords. I’m not saying that precludes the Lords from amending such Bills, but from rejecting them entirely. How much they can legitimately insist on amendments is in a grey area.

I don’t think that was the view of either the Govt or many members of the Lords.

I disagree with Mark to this extent: I don’t see it being a PMB makes any difference to the broad constitutional case for primacy, which flows from the Lords’ unelected status. It does complicate the application of the PA procedure as he says.

It was a mixture of both. But out of interest, are you arguing it would have been perfectly legitimate for the Lords to reject Rwanda at Second Reading since it wasn’t a manifesto Bill?

The HL has a general duty to respect the primacy of the Commons. Hence the fact that the Parliament Act has had to be used only a handul of time since 1911. The Lords know this see e.g. the speeches in the Lords re the Rwanda Bill(which was not a manifesto Bill).

Expert curatorship I'd say...

thank you!

Thank you! Interesting to look around here...

many thanks Steve. Had heard of the starter packs, just figuring them out!