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ersatzgrace.bsky.social
yeah, that was a definitely one of the points I made with the complex thought I laid out yesterday/today. :)
December 2, 2025 at 4:57 PM
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Think about our total wealth like a cup of water.

A bit more than 2 T of that water goes to the thimble, which is around 13k households/35k people. It overflows.

A bit more than a teaspoon is put in the bucket, which is around 66m households/174m people. It barely registers - blue dot!
simplified image of a water-filled thimble overflowing next to a bucket with a small dot of water.
December 1, 2025 at 3:58 PM
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The households number isn't in the FRED, but they are on IBIS. 2024 is calculated ~132.2m. Worldometer estimates US population at ~348m, so each household is ~2.6 people. Remember: babies need to survive. We don't know the composition dynamics, but those non-earners (& future) are somewhere.
https://www.ibisworld.com/united-states/bed/number-of-households/31/ https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/us-population/ 35K in top 0.1%;313k in top 1%; 31m in next 9%; 139m in next 40%; 174 in bottom 50%.
December 1, 2025 at 3:58 PM
ersatzgrace.bsky.social
But let's take them at their word for now: sturdy floor. We'll put the water in a container. The below breaks, percents, and distribution is per the 1Q 2025 FRED.
Numbers from https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2025/09/trends-in-the-us-distribution-of-net-worth/ for 1Q 2025. Top 0.1% is 13.8% of wealth, top 1% is 30.7% of wealth; 90-99th percentile is 36.4%; 50th-90th is 30.3%; bottom 50 is 2.5%.
December 1, 2025 at 3:58 PM
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Align that sense of lost agency to what was explained in the previous four. If someone feels lost, there's an array of options to start making inroads. Info literacy content is public (unless it gets gnarly, and that's free membership), and geared towards introduction and further exploration.
That looming disquiet is lost agency • Understanding skewed with bad information • Urged to supplant understanding with information access and rote repetition. • People provided with skewed “understanding” and urged to take it as their own belief system, on trust. • People fed mistakes and lies and urged to believe, either for short-term benefit or because it tastes good. • Information literacy left to the latter years of higher education. • Information tailored for extraction and supporting bias instead of reflecting our entire humanity • Information increased in speed and availability to act as a firehose and obfuscation of what’s missing • The information vessel promoted as understanding incarnate • People cornered to fit the designed paradigm – behaviorally, emotionally, systematically When we no longer have agency, the future is not intended for us. We’re stepping stones to someone else’s solipsistic ideas of what could be. Set right: the magic of the future is from understanding, unlocked by information like a potion that transfers to your cognition via a vessel. The vessel is a breakable, designed -- and thus opinionated -- artifact. Experience, books, computers, social media, AI are all opinionated vessels, which are currently constraining what/who "fits", and setting up people to be confused/frustrated, hindered from making sense of their own world. ---- This is second step in information architecture: findability. We have to see the issues to work the problem. If we turn away, if we let it remain unseen because it's uncomfortable to see it, we can't do anything about it. What happens when information disintegrates is scattered through our history. It's never good. It's always hard for the bulk of humanity, with a few people thinking it's peachy. That difference between hard and peachy is a matter of agency. Good information gives agency, to those who wish to grab it. So let's fix it. Get out of the vessel, and back to holding it. We builders can smudge the binaries – open up the possibilities compared to what’s been designed to date. Build for an ever increasing (dare we say, “more perfect”?\*) scoping of humanity. * BTW, democracy needs shared information, with astute individual privacy, and limiting information domination to limit behavioral domination. www.smudgingthebinary.com/designed-concepts Increase access to building information literacy skills. Everyone needs them. It’s also not something we can do for people. When we try, it just becomes shouting matches of who’s right/wrong. Instead, we enable, and bet that enough of humanity wants functionality more than domination. www.smudgingthebinary.com/start-here Increase understanding of how information functions – it’s inextricable from humanity!! Continue seeing the effects, learning, and applying. www.smudgingthebinary.com/social-fractals www.smudgingthebinary.com/information-abstractions ---- The third step in information architecture is navigation. How do we get from here to there? The trick to stop the flow of agency out of our lives is to build for it, take it back through practicing information literacy, and understanding the effect of information and how it functions – inextricable intertwingling of information and humanity. We're information beings. If we poison information, we poison society, cultures, lives. Dysfunctional information is the poison; functional information meshed deeply with reality is the medicine. Not everyone is up for it, and we can't force it. It's a bet, that more of humanity wants function and joy than domination. If we leave it to happenstance and wishes and the systems already created and tested, we are left to the heightening of the status quo, and that looming disquiet.
November 27, 2025 at 12:08 PM
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All the mainstream frameworks failing? Explain what's happening with information (AI, DOGE, social media, restructuring education -- as the top contenders) by evoking the magical thinking already appreciated. 😉

More editorial in the alt text (after the important bit of the text of the image).
the magic of the future is from understanding, unlocked by information like a potion that transfers to your cognition via a vessel. The vessel is a breakable, designed -- and thus opinionated -- artifact. Experience, books, computers, social media, AI are all opinionated vessels. ---- All our everyday things that would have seemed magical to someone 200 years ago came from understanding. Cars, phones, computers – they're all things we figured out. The information was around us, but we had to get the right mix involved before we could see our way to the magic. The stars surrounding "understanding" are intended to represent confusion shifting to making sense. From information to understanding: Bridging gaps, adding context, urging the underlying system to flow-breathe-stretch like the living things they are. Information: and like a potion, it can be toxin or tonic, intrinsic or by dose. It can be drugging, poisonous, medicinal, or simply tasty. What's liked or dislike doesn't correlate to effect. What's mixed in is a matter of information literacy, where humanity is in learning a domain, and how much/well liars are enabled. Subtext: the magic of the future is from understanding, unlocked by information like a potion that transfers to your cognition via a vessel. The vessel is a breakable, designed -- and thus opinionated -- artifact. Experience, books, computers, social media, AI are all opinionated vessels. ---- Information is the inception point of understanding, not the end. With information, poking around to see what happens with it, and checking in with others to find out what they sensed, we start making sense of the world. That sense-making is the first whiff of understanding. We make sense of things to be able to more freely navigate to what we're looking for – whether it's more information, a place, a concept, a build, an outcome, change, etc. The information we use to get to our understanding is incredibly important. Our information builds our internal model of the world. Skew it, and it skews everything. Focus on wishes instead of reality, and the world feels wrong --dissonant, off-kilter, like there's chimeric animal-people always just barely in of the corner of your eye, skittering away when you turn to focus on them. Information and people are inextricably intertwingled. All our vessel artifacts are constraining what/who "fits". Especially computers, social media, and AI. These artifacts increase information volume, decrease time to practice information literacy, and are skewing info inclusion and exclusion, pollutions and poisons "for you". Subtext: the magic of the future is from understanding, unlocked by information like a potion that transfers to your cognition via a vessel. The vessel is a breakable, designed -- and thus opinionated -- artifact. Experience, books, computers, social media, AI are all opinionated vessels. ---- The mechanics and models for information literacy haven't significantly changed in the past 50 years. What has changed is the vessel. We've understood for millennia that experience is a double-edged sword: fundamental to increasing understanding, but also fundamentally skewed because it came with all of that person's entire history and cognition. You learn not to take Bob at face value, but ask deeper questions to get to the good stuff. We grew to understand the same with books. We have a myth that digital information stores are different. That somehow, some way, human influence got stripped out during the build. Computers. Digitized information, searching, social media, and now AI are somehow all agnostic. But: people decided what things were called (taxonomy) and what characteristics were relevant (metadata), what would spark bubbling them up (algorithms), and what information would be readily available (often little, because "simplify the complex" has become a mantra). Under that, people decided what would even be documented to be shared – including Bob, with no way to ask questions and given the same relevance as Carl Sagan. So while digitized information is vasty, and the memory is less fungible than Dementia Dorene, it's still reflecting people. All our vessel artifacts are constraining what/who "fits". Especially computers, social media, and AI. These artifacts increase information volume, decrease time to practice information literacy, and are skewing info inclusion and exclusion, pollutions and poisons "for you". Subtext: the magic of the future is from understanding, unlocked by information like a potion that transfers to your cognition via a vessel. The vessel is a breakable, designed -- and thus opinionated -- artifact. Experience, books, computers, social media, AI are all opinionated vessels. ---- When information disintegrates, our ability to understand our world and cosmos disintegrates. The most strident information literacy won't help us if we can't directly spelunk in information to build towards our particular understanding – because sometimes Bob has a nugget of useful truth. Part of what happens when there's a binary choice is that people filling in the choice will pick what's closest to their narrative. At the extreme misuse, they might gnaw at it and grow increasingly frustrated about it for days or weeks – like how you wanted to not pay the cable bill when cable had been not working for months, but you couldn't get through to customer service until you paid your cable bill. Meanwhile, the people that designed the binary choice are seeing what they wanted to see (people paying). They pat themselves on the back and tell themselves they understand the world perfectly – look, the metrics say so. That intent of poorly designed information meeting C-suite expectations is being built on. The belief (which is really an untested hypothesis) is that heightening the current misorientation will transform everything. But remember, information isn't understanding, it's the first blushes to be able to build understanding. If the information is bad, any sense of understanding is confabulated.
November 27, 2025 at 12:08 PM
ersatzgrace.bsky.social
this is built from something that bubbled up in my brain over the weekend. Because information is just a starting point to understanding, and not all information is beneficial or on point.
November 25, 2025 at 11:30 PM
ersatzgrace.bsky.social
The hope-filled bet is that more of humanity wants function and joy. The status quo heightens to more domination and reduced agency.

Hope isn't a palliative, but a reason to reach and do something.
That looming disquiet is lost agency • Understanding skewed with bad information • Urged to supplant understanding with information access and rote repetition. • People provided with skewed “understanding” and urged to take it as their own belief system, on trust. • People fed mistakes and lies and urged to believe, either for short-term benefit or because it tastes good. • Information literacy left to the latter years of higher education. • Information tailored for extraction and supporting bias instead of reflecting our entire humanity • Information increased in speed and availability to act as a firehose and obfuscation of what’s missing • The information vessel promoted as understanding incarnate • People cornered to fit the designed paradigm – behaviorally, emotionally, systematically When we no longer have agency, the future is not intended for us. We’re stepping stones to someone else’s solipsistic ideas of what could be. Set right: the magic of the future is from understanding, unlocked by information like a potion that transfers to your cognition via a vessel. The vessel is a breakable, designed -- and thus opinionated -- artifact. Experience, books, computers, social media, AI are all opinionated vessels, which are currently constraining what/who "fits", and setting up people to be confused/frustrated, hindered from making sense of their own world. So let's fix it. Get out of the vessel, and back to holding it. We builders can smudge the binaries – open up the possibilities compared to what’s been designed to date. Build for an ever increasing (dare we say, “more perfect”?*) scoping of humanity. * BTW, democracy needs shared information, with astute individual privacy, and limiting information domination to limit behavioral domination. www.smudgingthebinary.com/designed-concepts Increase access to building information literacy skills. Everyone needs them. It’s also not something we can do for people. When we try, it just becomes shouting matches of who’s right/wrong. Instead, we enable, and bet that enough of humanity wants functionality more than domination. www.smudgingthebinary.com/start-here Increase understanding of how information functions – it’s inextricable from humanity!! Continue seeing the effects, learning, and applying. www.smudgingthebinary.com/social-fractals www.smudgingthebinary.com/information-abstractions Set left: the magic of the future is from understanding, unlocked by information like a potion that transfers to your cognition via a vessel. The vessel is a breakable, designed -- and thus opinionated -- artifact. Experience, books, computers, social media, AI are all opinionated vessels, which are currently constraining what/who "fits", and setting up people to be confused/frustrated, hindered from making sense of their own world.
November 25, 2025 at 2:03 PM
ersatzgrace.bsky.social
Our information is disintegrating. It's been going on for over a decade, it's getting faster, and it has tendrils into everything and everyone I care about. And yet: it's information. Information has always been how I got myself out of pickles.

How do we fix it? First, understand the context.
the magic of the future is from understanding, unlocked by information like a potion that transfers to your cognition via a vessel. The vessel is a breakable, designed -- and thus opinionated -- artifact. Experience, books, computers, social media, AI are all opinionated vessels. The stars surrounding "understanding" are intended to represent confusion shifting to making sense. From information to understanding: Bridging gaps, adding context, urging the underlying system to flow-breathe-stretch like the living things they are. Information: and like a potion, it can be toxin or tonic, intrinsic or by dose. It can be drugging, poisonous, medicinal, or simply tasty. What's liked or dislike doesn't correlate to effect. What's mixed in is a matter of information literacy, where humanity is in learning a domain, and how much/well liars are enabled. Subtext: the magic of the future is from understanding, unlocked by information like a potion that transfers to your cognition via a vessel. The vessel is a breakable, designed -- and thus opinionated -- artifact. Experience, books, computers, social media, AI are all opinionated vessels. All our vessel artifacts are constraining what/who "fits". Especially computers, social media, and AI. These artifacts increase information volume, decrease time to practice information literacy, and are skewing info inclusion and exclusion, pollutions and poisons "for you". Subtext: the magic of the future is from understanding, unlocked by information like a potion that transfers to your cognition via a vessel. The vessel is a breakable, designed -- and thus opinionated -- artifact. Experience, books, computers, social media, AI are all opinionated vessels. Computers and digital technologies tailor artifacts to specific uses cases. Many of them vous on two classes of information: monetization/pulling-in/retaining revenue; the business's model of what categories are useful to their operations. Which doesn't fit most of us somewhere, somehow. So it makes people low-key angry, frustrated, confused -- complex pegs forced to fit in simple holes. And some of the opinionated vessels are now trying to diminish understanding to mere information, infinitely rewritable to their wishes. Together, these are hindering our ability to self-define the potion, built to try to understand a problem/interest, and messing up the sense-making. Subtext: the magic of the future is from understanding, unlocked by information like a potion that transfers to your cognition via a vessel. The vessel is a breakable, designed -- and thus opinionated -- artifact. Experience, books, computers, social media, AI are all opinionated vessels.
November 24, 2025 at 9:03 PM
ersatzgrace.bsky.social
Totally agree with these two parts.

Information is deeply tied to people. it's in everything. people aren't going to just wake up and decide that they can/should poke around a bit. no one is going to decide they're the crank. there's not one solution. But if we don't try, we won't fix it.
Yet this diagnosis is also crucially incomplete, in ways that distort our search for solutions. When we understand the problem in epistemic terms, we naturally seek epistemic answers: better fact-checking, more deliberation, better education, greater media balance. We aim to develop the “civic” and “epistemic virtues” of unbiased, fair-minded citizens. And indeed, such projects are surely worth pursuing. The epistemic failures they aim to address have deeper roots in our political psychology, however—and overcoming them requires grappling with those roots more directly. In short, decades of research have demonstrated that our political beliefs and behavior are thoroughly motivated and mediated by our social identities: i.e., the many cross-cutting social groupings we feel affinity with. And as long as we do not account for this profound and pervasive dependence, our attempts to address the epistemic failures threatening contemporary democracies will inevitably fall short. More than any particular institutional, technological, or educational reform, promoting a healthier democracy requires reshaping the social identity landscape that ultimately anchors other democratic pathologies. What best explains contemporary epistemic failures, conversely, is not the decay of individual epistemic virtues, but the growing chasm between reliable collective truth-making practices and the social identities embraced by large numbers of people. And as a result, the only feasible way out of the mess we are in is not to ensure every citizen employs optimal epistemic practices, but to weaken their social identification with cranks and conspiracy theorists, and strengthen their identification with the broadly reliable collective practices of science, scholarship, journalism, law, and so on. The most visible manifestations of the problem might be epistemic, in other words, but its roots lie in social identity. And the most promising solutions will therefore tackle those roots.
November 20, 2025 at 7:16 PM
ersatzgrace.bsky.social
I am in that stage of "everything sucks" that I had to remind myself visually...

...and have dreams of no computers.
November 20, 2025 at 5:50 PM
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it is definitely giving Saturn Devouring His Son vibes:
* your whole self
* if you're intelligent enough to do this, we can't let you live to overthrow/outsmart us...

"It's for the good of everything -- no, really! yum!"
Fransisco Goya, Saturn Devouring His Son, 1823
November 20, 2025 at 3:43 PM
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some days...
To the left, a pie chart with one little black sliver, with an arrow pointing to it labeled, "The part of humanity that sucks." To the right, a pie chart with most of it black, with an arrow pointing to it labeled, "Their influence/presence thanks to AI, social media algorithms, and binary politics."
November 19, 2025 at 8:09 PM
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The conversation should have ended at 'copyright infringement'. But since it hasn't, think about what other process obfuscates where an information trove comes from, and makes it hard to impossible to trace it back while trying to make it look legitimate.
simple diagram of placement, layering, integration. To the left is "money laundering", sourced from https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/moneylaundering.asp . To the right is "Intellectual work laundering", updates by the poster. Money laundering: * Injects the “dirty money” into the legitimate financial system. * Conceals the source of the money through a series of transactions and bookkeeping tricks. * Laundered money is disbursed from the legitimate account. Key Takeaways Money laundering disguises financial assets while protecting the illegal activity that produced them. Online banking and cryptocurrencies have made it easier for criminals to transfer and withdraw money without detection. The prevention of money laundering has become an international effort that includes terrorist funding among its targets. The financial industry also has its own set of strict anti-money laundering (AML) measures in place. Intellectual work laundering * Injects ideas, work, and creativity non-consensually into an information substrate. * Conceals the sources through algorithmic black box and mixing. * Laundered intellectual work is disbursed from a legitimate account. What-if Takeaways Disguises intellectual work and creative skill assets while protecting the activity that scraped them. Online tracking and bots have made it easier for AI to continue scraping any new work as quickly as it can emerge, neutralizing the ability of new thinking and creativity to be “owned” before seen through the lens (and tokens paid) of the algorithm. — We aren’t regulating it or giving it guardrails, so the last two points are moot.
November 19, 2025 at 7:11 PM
ersatzgrace.bsky.social
why thank you sleeping brain, yes, genAI does seem to be intellectual work laundering
simple diagram of placement, layering, integration. To the left is "money laundering", sourced from https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/moneylaundering.asp . To the right is "Intellectual work laundering", updates by the poster. Money laundering: * Injects the “dirty money” into the legitimate financial system. * Conceals the source of the money through a series of transactions and bookkeeping tricks. * Laundered money is disbursed from the legitimate account. Key Takeaways Money laundering disguises financial assets while protecting the illegal activity that produced them. Online banking and cryptocurrencies have made it easier for criminals to transfer and withdraw money without detection. The prevention of money laundering has become an international effort that includes terrorist funding among its targets. The financial industry also has its own set of strict anti-money laundering (AML) measures in place. Intellectual work laundering * Injects ideas, work, and creativity non-consensually into an information substrate. * Conceals the sources through algorithmic black box and mixing. * Laundered intellectual work is disbursed from a legitimate account. What-if Takeaways Disguises intellectual work and creative skill assets while protecting the activity that scraped them. Online tracking and bots have made it easier for AI to continue scraping any new work as quickly as it can emerge, neutralizing the ability of new thinking and creativity to be “owned” before seen through the lens (and tokens paid) of the algorithm. — We aren’t regulating it or giving it guardrails, so the last two points are moot.
November 18, 2025 at 11:43 AM
ersatzgrace.bsky.social
Thinking about info (as always) and how it affects *everything*. Emotions, thoughts, idea, behavior, action, collaboration, antagonism -- everything. Info supports it all.

Screw it up, everything gets screwy.
Diagram of a person falling through five layers -- documentation, accessible, available, perceived, vetted -- to a person sparked with an idea. Start with what we've digitized or published, and it has to be information we've decided to document. Start the information with first person experience, and it has to be information that *can be* sensed (accessible) *to be potentially* sensed (available) – which does not automatically preclude perception. Even after information has hit conscious perception, we still have to decide whether it's useful to what's at hand. Sensors and tracking have removed people from some of the mix to documentation (while breaking millennia of assumptions around privacy) Otherwise the minds and information literacy of every person involved affects documentation. Screw up any part, and information usefulness diminishes.
November 11, 2025 at 4:41 PM
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it's a riff from my character for my website, with a stronger nod to kilroy. ;) and, yeah, that's pretty much how I've felt since HR1 v1 landed.
November 5, 2025 at 6:44 PM
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lol, this is the second time I've been sparked on this today. 😜 This is my understanding of information. I have it all written up, and I'll be dripping it in as I need it to support new writing and/or edit it with the site in mind.

I wish I'd kept a digital library for decades. I wish I'd start. 😞
November 5, 2025 at 6:02 PM
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Just vomited this up in an email:
My problem spot is the transition from oblivion to interest -- chasing the eyes. There's a whole subsection of marketing that treats it like war that I need to stay away from. Archetypes and story-focused are what I've historically been able to stomach, but I've always used it more to try to help me explain the complexities I'm dealing with. I also think that's part of what AI is breaking. It wants to supplant itself as the thinking, as the arbiter of what stories to tell; and I'm trying to help people think more and form their own stories.
November 3, 2025 at 12:15 PM
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woke this morning convinced I *had* to finally lay down my holistic map of data/information. First draft. Years of formulation, based on how others were using the terms (the world is rife with personal models), as well as checking against how it functioned in use across a broad array of sets.
November 1, 2025 at 11:01 AM
ersatzgrace.bsky.social
happy halloween in the nerdiest way I've done yet...
Two black dots representing a binary. Or, anthropomorphized: eyes, gazing blankly at your soul incomprehensible at your non-fitting. But intended to be two nodes forming a binary.
October 31, 2025 at 1:36 PM
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Since the administration is now moving forward towards spending the trillions of dollars on nuclear armament they allocated in HR1, it's time to remind people that testing doesn't just affect the immediate space around the test.

keyword: downwinders
www.imdb.com/title/tt1603...
from https://coldwarheartland.ku.edu/memories/downwinders, which also relays an at-hand first person story. Map of the United States with state and county outlines. Colored scale of rods dose, from 12-16 (red) to 0.1., including a legend that quantifies the counties (the median was 1031 counties with 2-4 rods). Counties with >4 rods are almost ubiquitous in Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, Missouri, and Vermont. States with many >4 rods are Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, Oklahoma, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Arkansas. States with a smattering of >4 rods are Oregon, Nevada, Texas, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, New York.
October 31, 2025 at 9:27 AM
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On my to-do list this week is to finish rewriting Riffpoints architecture for my new site.
Riffpoints: conceptual context The conceptual context for riffpoints architecture isn't the usual cognitive approach. Instead, it's looking at visual language through the lens of information, and what different information architecture decisions can do. Riffpoints: logic shifts All of the wonder in Riffpoints is information architecture. It's taking something that is approached -- rightly, in exploration -- as two massive intertwingled systems with lots of subsystems, and adds multiple layered, simpler structures for production, without losing nuance. Riffpoints next step: user-controlled accessibility With riffpoints architecture, accessibility doesn't need to be left to slapdash, environmentally intensive, and intrinsically fallible, blackbox/magical genAI. It enables a decision to place human functionality -- accessibility for any sightedness -- as a higher priority than brand control.
October 27, 2025 at 2:18 PM
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Part of a piece I'm writing up for humanist IT concepts.
Riffpoints is an example of what it means to focus on the abstracts of information. The outcomes might not change in ways that any passing person can see on a simple scan, which also means that non-contributing oversight can bluntly, potentially with deliberate obtuseness, refuse to see value in the proposition. It has cultural implications, especially as a culture is more stridently top-down. Yet the extension of the architecture has societal implications. This is the connundrum of information architecture: abstractions that have limited immediate & scannable bang for the buck; which then thwarts the intended contributions of top-down cultural oversight; but has broad societal benefit once it's extended.
October 24, 2025 at 12:58 PM
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I would also suggesting thinking about them as layers of systems that also talk to each other (ignore the hierarchy, just grabbing something I already have).
October 22, 2025 at 1:31 PM