Clinton
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Damn thrifty ice cream. The cylindrical scoops are a core memory. I remember getting a 3 scoop cone felt unmanageable.
November 15, 2025 at 9:56 PM
Damn thrifty ice cream. The cylindrical scoops are a core memory. I remember getting a 3 scoop cone felt unmanageable.
Would love to see you if you get the chance.
November 15, 2025 at 9:54 PM
Would love to see you if you get the chance.
Overall, this is a topic I'd love to discuss more, and hear contrasting viewpoints on. Once again, I've got no love for Waymo in particular, I just believe that improvements in ASD will make the roads safer, and the statistics I've seen seem to bear this out.
November 15, 2025 at 12:18 AM
Overall, this is a topic I'd love to discuss more, and hear contrasting viewpoints on. Once again, I've got no love for Waymo in particular, I just believe that improvements in ASD will make the roads safer, and the statistics I've seen seem to bear this out.
The sources I linked in my previous posts are also from personal injury law firms, who are the ones you'd hire in the event that you were pursuing litigation in the event of an incident involving a self-driving car. I would expect their bias would be to find the ASD vehicle at fault.
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November 15, 2025 at 12:18 AM
The sources I linked in my previous posts are also from personal injury law firms, who are the ones you'd hire in the event that you were pursuing litigation in the event of an incident involving a self-driving car. I would expect their bias would be to find the ASD vehicle at fault.
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If you could manage to get braked checked at that speed, you're not paying attention, following too closely, or both. Once again, this is based on my own experience with driving, and I'd love to hear other viewpoints.
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November 15, 2025 at 12:18 AM
If you could manage to get braked checked at that speed, you're not paying attention, following too closely, or both. Once again, this is based on my own experience with driving, and I'd love to hear other viewpoints.
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Regardless of whether a human or computer was driving either car, I can't think of a situation (and please help me if I'm just not thinking of one) where the car in the rear would not be at fault for striking a stationary vehicle in a 25mph zone.
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November 15, 2025 at 12:18 AM
Regardless of whether a human or computer was driving either car, I can't think of a situation (and please help me if I'm just not thinking of one) where the car in the rear would not be at fault for striking a stationary vehicle in a 25mph zone.
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Additionally, in many of these cases, assessing fault isn't particularly difficult, and there aren't a whole lot of options. The majority of reported crashes happened in a 25mph speed limit zone, a good number of them involved someone hitting a stationary Waymo, mainly in the rear.
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November 15, 2025 at 12:18 AM
Additionally, in many of these cases, assessing fault isn't particularly difficult, and there aren't a whole lot of options. The majority of reported crashes happened in a 25mph speed limit zone, a good number of them involved someone hitting a stationary Waymo, mainly in the rear.
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I don't quite understand what you're saying, or why I'd be disqualified from talking about any particular subject. I'm not any supporter of Waymo in particular, or an apologist, just someone who believes that this is a new technology that as it matures will save lives.
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November 15, 2025 at 12:18 AM
I don't quite understand what you're saying, or why I'd be disqualified from talking about any particular subject. I'm not any supporter of Waymo in particular, or an apologist, just someone who believes that this is a new technology that as it matures will save lives.
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Improvement in technology is undoubtedly necessary to avoid edge case failures like the one you linked, but in order to improve, we have to find those edge cases, and the only way to do that is by moving into what is effectively an open beta. I hope for other players to step up and compete.
November 14, 2025 at 7:22 PM
Improvement in technology is undoubtedly necessary to avoid edge case failures like the one you linked, but in order to improve, we have to find those edge cases, and the only way to do that is by moving into what is effectively an open beta. I hope for other players to step up and compete.
The indisputable facts about humans is that we're subject to fatigue, emotions, and judgement imparing substances. We also break rules when it's convenient. Computers are endlessly patient, unemotional, and always alert, follow the rules, and can't drive drunk.
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November 14, 2025 at 7:22 PM
The indisputable facts about humans is that we're subject to fatigue, emotions, and judgement imparing substances. We also break rules when it's convenient. Computers are endlessly patient, unemotional, and always alert, follow the rules, and can't drive drunk.
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What I've linked here are examples, and certainly not the extent of the data I've perused. I am aware that bias is real and that what anyone reads can be garbage, so I encourage folks to do their own noodling around on this subject as well.
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November 14, 2025 at 7:22 PM
What I've linked here are examples, and certainly not the extent of the data I've perused. I am aware that bias is real and that what anyone reads can be garbage, so I encourage folks to do their own noodling around on this subject as well.
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But in the case of things like the incident you cited, the systems have erred on the side of caution.
I'd love to have more controlled testing, but there's a point at which technology like this needs to improve in real world conditions. You don't find all edge cases in test.
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I'd love to have more controlled testing, but there's a point at which technology like this needs to improve in real world conditions. You don't find all edge cases in test.
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November 14, 2025 at 7:22 PM
But in the case of things like the incident you cited, the systems have erred on the side of caution.
I'd love to have more controlled testing, but there's a point at which technology like this needs to improve in real world conditions. You don't find all edge cases in test.
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I'd love to have more controlled testing, but there's a point at which technology like this needs to improve in real world conditions. You don't find all edge cases in test.
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I'm a skeptic, and I'm certainly not a shill for any particular company. I have no reason to defend Waymo themselves, but I believe that ADS systems are safer where it counts.
Failures and oddities like you cited are problematic, and are certainly a need for improvement
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Failures and oddities like you cited are problematic, and are certainly a need for improvement
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November 14, 2025 at 7:22 PM
I'm a skeptic, and I'm certainly not a shill for any particular company. I have no reason to defend Waymo themselves, but I believe that ADS systems are safer where it counts.
Failures and oddities like you cited are problematic, and are certainly a need for improvement
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Failures and oddities like you cited are problematic, and are certainly a need for improvement
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Additionally, if you look at the NHTSA data for incidents reported involving Waymo vehicles, almost all of the incidents are caused by other drivers on the road vs. the Waymo vehicles (Some examples here: www.damfirm.com/waymo-accide...)
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Waymo Accidents | NHTSA Crash Data [Updated 2025]
Waymo robotaxis are spreading across the United States, but how often are they crashing? Are they safe? We analyzed 4 years of NHTSA crash data.
www.damfirm.com
November 14, 2025 at 7:22 PM
Additionally, if you look at the NHTSA data for incidents reported involving Waymo vehicles, almost all of the incidents are caused by other drivers on the road vs. the Waymo vehicles (Some examples here: www.damfirm.com/waymo-accide...)
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What do you consider a "failure"
From what I've read, Incidents per million miles (IPMM) are roughly 80% lower for Autonomous driving vs. Human drivers (www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10....)
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From what I've read, Incidents per million miles (IPMM) are roughly 80% lower for Autonomous driving vs. Human drivers (www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10....)
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Comparison of Waymo rider-only crash data to human benchmarks at 7.1 million miles
This article examines the safety performance of the Waymo Driver, an SAE level 4 automated driving system (ADS) used in a rider-only (RO) ride-hailing application without a human driver, either in ...
www.tandfonline.com
November 14, 2025 at 7:22 PM
What do you consider a "failure"
From what I've read, Incidents per million miles (IPMM) are roughly 80% lower for Autonomous driving vs. Human drivers (www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10....)
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From what I've read, Incidents per million miles (IPMM) are roughly 80% lower for Autonomous driving vs. Human drivers (www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10....)
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Is this going to be like my 2024 FC where I took the longest day trip ever arriving Saturday and leaving Monday night?
November 14, 2025 at 6:13 PM
Is this going to be like my 2024 FC where I took the longest day trip ever arriving Saturday and leaving Monday night?
I feel that picking someone up is one of those things that should always involve informed consent, regardless of how many times you've met them -- unless blanket consent to do so has already been explicitly given.
November 14, 2025 at 6:07 PM
I feel that picking someone up is one of those things that should always involve informed consent, regardless of how many times you've met them -- unless blanket consent to do so has already been explicitly given.
Without trousers? Gosh!
November 14, 2025 at 6:01 PM
Without trousers? Gosh!
I did margaritas in mine!
November 14, 2025 at 6:00 PM
I did margaritas in mine!
Take up our quarrel with the foe
To you, from falling hands, we throw
The torch, be yours to hold it high
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, although we lie
In Flanders Fields.
To you, from falling hands, we throw
The torch, be yours to hold it high
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, although we lie
In Flanders Fields.
November 14, 2025 at 5:56 PM
Take up our quarrel with the foe
To you, from falling hands, we throw
The torch, be yours to hold it high
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, although we lie
In Flanders Fields.
To you, from falling hands, we throw
The torch, be yours to hold it high
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, although we lie
In Flanders Fields.
We are the dead, short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders Fields
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders Fields
November 14, 2025 at 5:56 PM
We are the dead, short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders Fields
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders Fields
In Flanders fields, the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row
That mark our place, and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
Between the crosses, row on row
That mark our place, and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
November 14, 2025 at 5:56 PM
In Flanders fields, the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row
That mark our place, and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
Between the crosses, row on row
That mark our place, and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
This is a perfect tragic storm. A cat who is a local celebrity gets run over by a robot car. Instant ragebait to generate clicks and drive ad revenue.
November 14, 2025 at 5:51 PM
This is a perfect tragic storm. A cat who is a local celebrity gets run over by a robot car. Instant ragebait to generate clicks and drive ad revenue.
For sure this was an accident. The computers driving Waymo cars lack one of the greatest failings of human drivers -- Emotions. I have seen human drivers on multiple occasions alter their course to deliberately run over an animal in the street they could have otherwise easily avoided.
November 14, 2025 at 5:51 PM
For sure this was an accident. The computers driving Waymo cars lack one of the greatest failings of human drivers -- Emotions. I have seen human drivers on multiple occasions alter their course to deliberately run over an animal in the street they could have otherwise easily avoided.