No one is surprised that you don't want to hear women talk about misogyny 💀

Because that's what we were talking about? Butches are women and they're gender non-conforming. That doesn't mean they're not women, because being a woman doesn't mean "conforming to society's idea of what a woman should be."

? "deviate from conventional norms for masculinity/femininity." That's exactly what I said gnc meant

Gender identity, read further for the definition of gender non-conformity

Yep

Woman isn't some role people play because they like wearing skirts and being looked down on. Any woman who doesn't do what society expects of women is a gender non-conforming woman. I hope you're dumbing down that last part for the word count bc being a woman is not a personality trait, either.

You've lost me as well. How? How can gender be inherently personal when we are socialized from birth to act and dress certain ways based on our sex? That seems pretty communal to me

Gender conformity/non-conformity isn't about someone's personal ideas about gender, it's about societal norms and expectations

How? Butch women are expected to fulfill cultural ideas of femininity- and they don't. Trans women are expected to fulfill cultural ideas of masculinity- and they don't. Gender nonconformity.

My issue isn't with you talking about butch women and trans women in the same conversation, it's you insinuating that if a lesbian can be attracted to a gnc female she should just as easily be attracted to a gnc male.

Yeah those women aren't "less" a lesbian they're just not lesbians period. Which is fine ofc, but don't act like the definition of lesbian hasn't always been same sex attracted woman. Which doesn't mean "just about liking pussy." That was a super weird, borderline homophobic thing for you to say tbh

That's an insane comparison to make, holy shit. Butch women aren't men sans penis. Do you really think sexuality is based on what clothes a person is wearing?