You keep proving my point that it isn’t genocide. No matter what you try and throw at Israel the response of the government of South Africa shows that it is not. You can have the last word if you need it. My point stands.

While I get that you don’t like Israel the point of my pist is clear. WR is horrid. War is not genocide and despite the government of South Africa’s accusations, they don’t really believe their own accusation.

Even if I were to accept everything you said as fact it does not change what South Africa did. Sending people back to the area where South Africa accuses Israel of committing genocide?! Makes me and other rational thinkers question things.

Maybe the difference is that it’s functional? I will try and find the source to see what the date is.

The future of Israel, what it should be, lies in the hands of the voters in 2026. I am incredibly proud of our younger generations and my hope is that they will be the change we need.

Many things are not the same but complement each other like pieces in a puzzle.
I am curious if you are anti Zionism. I will reply to your other posts in a bit. It’s mid day here and I can’t use an interesting discussion as an excuse to not get work done.

Zionism is baked into Judaism and while I am not religiously observant I can clearly see it and I am okay with it.

They would not be Zionist because they skipped over the self determination part of the meaning.

There are religious Zionists. They are not at odds.

One can be antizionist and Jewish unfortunately but they can be. If they are religious or traditional then they would have a problem with prayer facing Jerusalem. Or Chanukah and Pesach. Or land based holidays like tu bshvat or Shavuot as a few examples.

Zionism is the right of the Jewish people to self determination in their homeland.

There are AA meetings in Israel.

Trying to separate Zionism from Judaism is like trying to separate the eggs from the flour in a piece of cake. You can’t because it’s baked in.